Star Wars DVD Changes Thread

[Illbleed]

Another minor change:

When Luke goes into the Mos Eisley cantina for the first time, he goes up to order a drink. He tugs on the bartender and says:

"I'll have one of those"...

It's cut out in the DVD release, you see his lips kind of move but that's about it. I guess Lucas didn't want the whole "underage drinking" vibe.

[X'an Shin]

I, for one, will not be buying the DVD set. Well, I might, but I'll still keep my trusty Original Edition copies from the tapes at the library. Sure, they may not have Han and Jabba in Mos Eisley, but they have Luke falling to his death in Cloud City with a little dignity instead of unleashing that cheerleader scream.

The Cheerleader scream has been removed (or restored to the original, really) for the DVDs.

On a side note, for the longest time, the only version of Star Wars I ever saw was the one that my dad recorded off of TV circa 1985. He would pause during the commercials so the movie would just play through, and he managed to cut out the entire Mos Eisley Cantina scene. I didn't ever see that til I checked out the Special Editions in the theater. I was sitting there thinking "Man, I don't know WHY they cut this out! It explains so much!"

My sister still laughs about that.

THAT is too funny, sir.

[Gaaralow]

A nice frame to frame comparison:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviews3/ ... anges.html

[X'an Shin]

Eyebrows. HE REMOVED EYEBROWS. Jesus H. he's gone completely off the deep end.

[Keer]

Damn.

I knew about the Hayden Christensen switch, but I hadn't watched my Ep 6 disc yet.

Why must he look like Eric Foreman from That 70's Show with longer hair? Or a Brady Bunch cousin?

He looks like he should be modelling "Back To School" clothes.

Damn again.

[X'an Shin]

Damn.

I knew about the Hayden Christensen switch, but I hadn't watched my Ep 6 disc yet.

Why must he look like Eric Foreman from That 70's Show with longer hair? Or a Brady Bunch cousin?

He looks like he should be modelling "Back To School" clothes.

Damn again.

A friend of mine just encapsulated why the Hayden switch at the end is just so WRONG:

If they put Hayden in at the end for Anakin's replacement, then why is Obi-Wan not Ewan McGreggor??!?

I mean, we KNOW why, but this underlying question really wraps up most people's frustration nicely.

[Zannon]

If they put Hayden in at the end for Anakin's replacement, then why is Obi-Wan not Ewan McGreggor??!?

I mean, we KNOW why, but this underlying question really wraps up most people's frustration nicely.

I don't agree with the "frustration"...Ewan McGreggor looks a lot like a young Alec Guiness...Sebastian Shaw looks nothing like Hayden Christiansen...and frankly, Shaw is kinda fat and unconvincing as the guy beneath the mask. This isn't a knock on Sebastian Shaw, the man was a great actor. I just actually like the idea of adding Hayden at the end there..it brings the films full circle.

I do think it's kind of funny that when people start yelling about continuity between the prequels and the originals, they just can't accept changing the originals to fit the continuity of the prequels. let's face it, it's easier to shoot a film in this day and age and then go back and alter an older movie than it is to try to cast look-alikes and make new technology and ideas look like stuff that was done almost 30 years ago.

[X'an Shin]

If they put Hayden in at the end for Anakin's replacement, then why is Obi-Wan not Ewan McGreggor??!?

I mean, we KNOW why, but this underlying question really wraps up most people's frustration nicely.

I don't agree with the "frustration"...Ewan McGreggor looks a lot like a young Alec Guiness...Sebastian Shaw looks nothing like Hayden Christiansen...and frankly, Shaw is kinda fat and unconvincing as the guy beneath the mask. This isn't a knock on Sebastian Shaw, the man was a great actor. I just actually like the idea of adding Hayden at the end there..it brings the films full circle.

I do think it's kind of funny that when people start yelling about continuity between the prequels and the originals, they just can't accept changing the originals to fit the continuity of the prequels. let's face it, it's easier to shoot a film in this day and age and then go back and alter an older movie than it is to try to cast look-alikes and make new technology and ideas look like stuff that was done almost 30 years ago.

But in this admission you've struck on the core of the frustration:

That Lucas pulled these prequels out of his ass, and he's NEVER had any idea of what the Clone Wars were, or what was going to happen in them. He's been making all of this up as he goes along post original trilogy, and the original trilogy is paying the price for it.

It's one thing to say "Hey, I've got this great idea for what could have happened before the epic trilogy," and another thing entirely to discount and gouge out that original trilogy in the process, which he's done in spades. I mean c'mon. Eyebrows? Was that really necessary? Replacing the Power meter with Aurebesh fonts? Cutting out Luke ordering a drink? Were these continuity fixes? Were they fixes that weren't part of his "original vision"? No. He's dicking with the films at this point, plain and simple. I can no longer abide by ANY of these fixes being continuity or vision fixes when he's obviously nitpicking his films to death.

As far as Shaw being unconvincing as a fat guy behind the mask, I think he's spot on. If your body lost every limb and most of its fat resources, you'd puff out too as your body attempted to store fat wherever it could. Also, it's a wonderful contrast in imagry. The mighty black knight is really a soft and tender father underneath. It was an awesome reveal, and still is, and I think putting Hayden in cheapens the entire original 3 film experience, not brings the films full circle.

I mean, how's Luke going to know that's his Dad when he's never seen young Hayden's face? One could argue that he's a Jedi and could "feel" it's his father, the new ending should be Luke pointing at the third guy and giving Ben and Yoda a "who the hell is THAT??!?!" expression.

[Jotun]

Well the excuse for the switch I keep hearing is that the true Anakin died when he went to the dark side and so you see his 'Jedi Ghost' from that last moment he was a good soul...I have thought about it and I don't totally buy it. At the end of Jedi Darth Vader offs Palpatine by tossing him into the shaft...Then right after Luke takes his helmet off, Anakin says..."You were right about me". Remember earlier when Luke gets captured on Endor, he says to Vader "There is still good in you..." Well if he takes out the Emperor, then doesn't that put him back on the good Jedi roster ? So then really the last time he is good is when he dies on the floor in the Death Star... AS AN OLD GUY!

[Lok'i Vidaar]

Well the excuse for the switch I keep hearing is that the true Anakin died when he went to the dark side and so you see his 'Jedi Ghost' from that last moment he was a good soul...I have thought about it and I don't totally buy it. At the end of Jedi Darth Vader offs Palpatine by tossing him into the shaft...Then right after Luke takes his helmet off, Anakin says..."You were right about me". Remember earlier when Luke gets captured on Endor, he says to Vader "There is still good in you..." Well if he takes out the Emperor, then doesn't that put him back on the good Jedi roster ? So then really the last time he is good is when he dies on the floor in the Death Star... AS AN OLD GUY!

And You sir, are absolutley correct!

But tell that Lucas..

[Dasumi]

Well the excuse for the switch I keep hearing is that the true Anakin died when he went to the dark side and so you see his 'Jedi Ghost' from that last moment he was a good soul...I have thought about it and I don't totally buy it. At the end of Jedi Darth Vader offs Palpatine by tossing him into the shaft...Then right after Luke takes his helmet off, Anakin says..."You were right about me". Remember earlier when Luke gets captured on Endor, he says to Vader "There is still good in you..." Well if he takes out the Emperor, then doesn't that put him back on the good Jedi roster ? So then really the last time he is good is when he dies on the floor in the Death Star... AS AN OLD GUY!

And You sir, are absolutley correct!

But tell that Lucas..

I wouldn't necessarily say he's correct, from all the rumors i heard about Episode 3 it may be possible that Anakin physically dies, not just a metaphorical death of the good in him, at the end of his duel with Obi-Wan and is revived and kept alive by a use of the darkside by Palpatine or something similar.
The changed appearance at the end of Episode 6 just makes something like this even more possible, as mentioned it seems that Lucas idea is, that a jedi ghost looks just like he looked at the time of his death.

[E-bo Obi]

So then Palpatine is a necromancer and vader is a zombie?

[X'an Shin]

I wouldn't necessarily say he's correct, from all the rumors i heard about Episode 3 it may be possible that Anakin physically dies, not just a metaphorical death of the good in him, at the end of his duel with Obi-Wan and is revived and kept alive by a use of the darkside by Palpatine or something similar.
The changed appearance at the end of Episode 6 just makes something like this even more possible, as mentioned it seems that Lucas idea is, that a jedi ghost looks just like he looked at the time of his death.

I know the books aren't cannon, but one of the books that first discussed the volcano duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin mentioned that Anakin's intense anger and burning hatred, need for revenge, etc. is what kept him alive after he fell/was thrown in. They said it was Anakin's full embrace of the dark side that kept him alive, and didn't mention anything about Palpatine's help.

[Dasumi]

So then Palpatine is a necromancer and vader is a zombie?

We'll see as soon as Episode 3 hits the screen ;)
It could mean something like that, fashioned to fit into a Star Wars movie, but as i said, just rumors about the plot, clouded the future is

[Ekade]

That Lucas pulled these prequels out of his ass, and he's NEVER had any idea of what the Clone Wars were, or what was going to happen in them. He's been making all of this up as he goes along post original trilogy, and the original trilogy is paying the price for it.

This, my friends, is the most accurate description of Lucas' work that I have ever seen. In fact, I would argue that just a much rectal extrapolation occured between Episode IV and V as occured between the original trilogy and prequels.

This is evidenced by the clumsy way in which continuity was handled throught all these movies.