SWG Tales

If I may I'd like to add to what Dariis just stated.

The rebellion is just that a rebellion. The Alliance is facing overwhelming odds (even though they're not apparent in the game), and a tyranical enemy. With that said it makes no sence, regardless of now many rebs out number imps on the ground (ie the Roba), for any number of rebs to harrass any imperials. Reason 1 you dan't want to call undue attention to yourself and fellow rebels. Reason 2 there is in all liklyhood more imps around the conner and if not there definitly in orbit (points up at the white arrowhead shape in the sky). Reason 3 no rebel would want to call down more imperials on a planet you've found remotly smpathetic to the rebellion. Reason 4 you've never seen or read of a large group of rebels in the hieght of the Empire shouting down an Imperial so why do it in the game.

ok, I agree that the rebs shouldn't threaten imps in a public setting, blah blah blah, BUT...

if there's an RP event, and a bunch of imps come into the cantina, with plenty-o-troopers, at-st's, and then all they do is sit there and berate every customer in there and be racist lil punk ass pussy boys, for HOURS and HOURS, then FUCK THAT...

I do not spend my game time getting harassed by lil bitches for hours on end (RP or no RP)...you want to be an imp and a prick, then make your entrance, harass for a few minutes, then leave...I'm fine with that...

but if this keeps going on like it did friday, the roba will be a non-event in less than 2 weeks

tranies are hostile :P

Well, once again, here is someone from the TTF Ranks to chime in on the situation. Heh, the only time I hear about swgtales is when someone has a problem at the Roba

Anyway, as for buffs at the Roba, it's pretty much open. I know that you guys have your rules about buffs for your events, but the Roba isn't officially an SWG-Tales event, it's just a roleplay event.

That being said, I agree that buffed vs. unbuffed smack talking is annoying and detremental to the atmosphere we want at the event. If you're going to talk smack, back it up. But be aware that when the fight isn't even, no one will walk right into looking like a fool.

With the Wookiee, and later, my alt Katan buffing people, basically we were trying to just even things out. The reason there was so much smack and no action was due to the lack of buffs, so we took away that excuse.

To try and make things easier on everyone, I am hereby offering free buffs from Katan for anyone at the Roba that decides to do some RP PvP. At least until the CU, when hopefully it won't matter as much anymore.

Also, anyone that doesn't follow the common sense RP duelling rules (duelling everyone against you at once, not one at a time, /ending early, DBing without warning, etc) will be warned and subsequently banned from the Roba and Dohrian if they do not change their actions. Malchiah and I want fair and realistic fighting as much as all of you and won't tolerate people using the SWG game system to talk smack and then run away.

Hopefully there won't be too many problems from now until the CU hits, when only a 10-20% buff won't make the huge impact that the 300-600% buffs do now.

well i like what you say about the rules to fighting, but... no buffs :P if a person is buffed he can spam the best attack at no ham cost, keep the fighting unbuffed and it will stay fair. if your ham cost is high then just /attack thats ham free!

buffs give unrealistic combat results

Dariis wrote:well i like what you say about the rules to fighting, but... no buffs :P if a person is buffed he can spam the best attack at no ham cost, keep the fighting unbuffed and it will stay fair. if your ham cost is high then just /attack thats ham free!

buffs give unrealistic combat results

I find that unbuffed matches tend to be more unfair. HAM special costs are in no way balanced across the professions right now (carbineer anyone??). If you are to both simply /attack, it would be the one with the higher damage per second weapon. Without specials, combat is just simply boring. Even with minimal specials while unbuffed, it's just not as exciting.

You imply that a good PvPer gets buffed, finds his best special and spams away. This is simply untrue, You have to consider states, position, heals, spice, food. No single special in any profession will automatically win you a duel against someone that knows what they're doing.

I have never like the specials cost system in SWG, as it penalizes you as you advance in a profession. I look forward to the change in the CU. While I am a fan of unbuffed PvE, I find buffed PvP to be much more complex and interesting than going at it unbuffed.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind or lure them to the darkside, just stating my feelings on PvP in SWG in its current state, and why Malchiah and I allow buffs at the Roba (as we both prefer it that way).

As a footnote, again, I add that the CU can't get here fast enough to make this all moot

That's one problem I dont have in Linage2, if somone is a jarhead I kill the bastard

Despite this, open pvp also leads to a LOT more griefing, random PKing and things that drive the non-action minded people away from the servers. The people who make up a good portion of the server's social life and economy. Crafters, dancers, ID's, people who aren't über pvp dudez. The actual city/cantina authority needs to be "mature" (not age but mind) people who can moderate an event or it'll run into the sand. Crazy Roba's has always been an awesome place to RP and socialise, I would really hate seeing this go down.

The only time I'm buffed at a social event would be if its during the periods where I train some jedi because I always get visibility there and I dont like being caught by a BH with my pants down. Tried that twice already..

*raises hand* Chased away from L2 for just that. Open PvP of the new guys is hardly fair. I can only hope they fixed that deleveling but keeping your lvl 40 skills to keep from losing your stuff, but letting you loot others thing. The quests, the music, and the world was beautiful though.

It was BS me and my friend just left to go grind because RP'ing was way over at that point.

Yala wrote: ...and I dont like being caught by a BH with my pants down. Tried that twice already..

Now that's a loot poster I'd pay a mill for!

"Yala, Pants Down. Moon Up."

Do you have to be a Bounty Hunter to catch that picture??

Twice?! :lol: :lol: :lol:

This one is a tough call... Basically because nobody wants to see there character get harrassed, or feel useless when it comes to getting insulted.
I know... IC as it is... If an imperial officer started harrassing Rebecca anywhere, public or private, she'd most likely kill him. Fearing to bring the Empire crashing down all around her would probably not be a concern... She's already wanted by the empire. Besides, she's more of a pirate than a rebel.

Now... As for a solution. Why the hell weren't the Imperials buffed?
You want to be a superior force in the galaxy? You want to stand a chance to the players that come prepared for a fight?
Buff yourself, come in full armor... and have an AT ST backing you up.
It's just that simple.

Unforunatley we do not play in a perfect game where Imperials are always feared, and rebels are always in hiding. The game does not allow for it. So use the tools you have to make the impression you want to make.

I know for one... If I was going to shit talk Skar as an imperial. I'd be buffed and willing to defend myself.

(Update) I think I thought Jabe was one of the imperials during the crackdown. I might be wrong. I re-read the posts and it looks like he was just willing to duel the guy.
DBs are unhonorable in RP, and this guy should have been told...
I remember my first victory in an RP fight. I DBd Kirt and everyone was like *Gasp*. I had no idea. So these people should be told.
Imperials that refuse to duel... Get ignored, and shit talked in equal RP measure. I smack em... poke em, prod em, insult em, and basically try to get em to respond to my duel. It might not be very mature, but if its in character... Meh!
Lots of people dont want to be harrassed by the Empire. That's just how it is. If you wanna harrass as an imperial. Bring a ton of backup.

Based on what I am observing from this thread, any precedent set by roleplayers about buffing has just gone out the window. I have learned my lesson regarding the Roba event. Seems like my only choices are to either disregard that event or come ready to mitigate griefing.

Some of my peers have been criticized for ignoring this event for many months. To be honest, you can't really blame someone for not wanting to go. Its not so much that I got owned - its more about the fact that the guy that did it rp'd on like he was some kick-ass unstoppable force.

Granted the Imperials drug things out and could have handled the situation better. However I realized I made the mistake that all TTF guys carry themselves and this event with some level of honor and realism in regards to the rp that goes on there. I hold roleplayers up to a higher standard. I assumed the other guy wasn't buffed and intitiated a duel against him. It won't happen again.

Jabe

Well, I am never going to an rp event buffed unless someone elles uses food, then I will pop a brandy and some other stuff and make the battle equal. Going to anything rp related should be buff free just so everyone has a chance. Well my thoughts do not matter here anyways, I already have had a record for being godmoded when not intended to so ya.

toront wrote:

Dariis wrote:well i like what you say about the rules to fighting, but... no buffs :P if a person is buffed he can spam the best attack at no ham cost, keep the fighting unbuffed and it will stay fair. if your ham cost is high then just /attack thats ham free!

buffs give unrealistic combat results

I find that unbuffed matches tend to be more unfair. HAM special costs are in no way balanced across the professions right now (carbineer anyone??). If you are to both simply /attack, it would be the one with the higher damage per second weapon. Without specials, combat is just simply boring. Even with minimal specials while unbuffed, it's just not as exciting.

You imply that a good PvPer gets buffed, finds his best special and spams away. This is simply untrue, You have to consider states, position, heals, spice, food. No single special in any profession will automatically win you a duel against someone that knows what they're doing.

I have never like the specials cost system in SWG, as it penalizes you as you advance in a profession. I look forward to the change in the CU. While I am a fan of unbuffed PvE, I find buffed PvP to be much more complex and interesting than going at it unbuffed.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind or lure them to the darkside, just stating my feelings on PvP in SWG in its current state, and why Malchiah and I allow buffs at the Roba (as we both prefer it that way).

As a footnote, again, I add that the CU can't get here fast enough to make this all moot

Remember that when we say "unbuffed", we are only talking about the doctor buffs. Food and spice is generally acceptable. Proper use of food can mitigate the special costs. Gamerol (sp? health brandy), Accragram and Canaps works great for me. Muon, Booster Blue (Action: +400, 600s. Quickness: +400, 600s.) and Pixie on the hot keys to bail me out trouble.

I dont feel like searching through my star wars books but i do distinctly remember groups of rebels shouting down imperials and killing them before they could call in reinforcements in one of the comics for sure if not in one of the books.

And storm troopers are more in the wrong for being there than rebels are for shouting at them. I dont remember ever hearing about a storm trooper flirting with a twi'lek or telling jokes with a wookiee and i see that on regular basis.

And if the rebels dont want to hide they dont have to cause im officially done with the beaten dog act.