Possible Future of SWG

[Isleh]

I was in Anchorhead yesterday and it looked like the Jedi fight in the Geo arena in Attack of the Clones.

No really.. there were more glowsticks than at a rave.

So... I'd figured I'd give it a shot and went Special Forces.

Ganked by a Jedi
Ganked by 2 Jedi
Ganked by 2 Jedi
Ganked by 3 Jedi
Ganked by 4 Jedi



It''s true PvP is dominated by Jedi and if you are not a jedi, you're fodder

[Lok'i Vidaar]

I believe it's five years between the A New Hope and Empire. I can't remember about between Empire and Jedi, but I'm thinking it's about two years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBY

ANH to ESB = 3 Yrs
ESB to RotJ = 1 Yr :P

alrighty...

/out

[Hashum]

Actually many Jedi would be quite happy to see many of those changes. Now the learning only skills their master has maybe difficult or they'd have to work something out so we can learn any of the skills we want, so maybe at least let them learn from an old master.

However an easier solution to the "problem" would be simply to stop forcing Jedi to PvP. Many of them prefer PvE but to become a Knight or enter the FRS you have to PvP in order to advance.

Frankly just adding the Master/Padawan relationship would make a huge difference I think. And I do agree the path to Jedi should probably change, I mean having every character Force Sensitive just because they've visited a few places and done a few dungeon's is not the way to go, it should be more "Force" oriented. As should the process of becoming a Jedi, the difficulty is probably right on the money now but the process is just all wrong.

[Dwilah]

I don't think people become FS by accident, personally. Doing a few dungeons or themeparks and visiting POIs is going to make you FS, but most people have to, and had to, seriously go out of their way in order to get all the required stuff to become "glowing."

We want to become FS. It's cool. I don't think the Village is particularly easy. But people manage to do it...because it's what they want to do. I don't think the Devs need to be worried about BHs and Jedi having an antagonistic relationship--they're supposed to. I do think they need to worry about Jedi being the be all and end all in PVP. Forcing Jedi into PVP is a bad idea, IMO. Not only does it go against the Jedi way blah blah blah (yeah I know, canon is the last thing on everyone's minds when it comes to Jedi and the game), it does screw everyone else over in terms of PVP. If I actually am interested in PVPing (which, it happens...I don't like it all the time but it's fun every once in awhile), I don't want to run in and get mowed down just because the other side has three Jedi.

It's going to be hard to find a balance between Jedi players and non-Jedi players, just because Jedi ARE cool and we do love the whole story surrounding Jedi. Personally, I think even Jedi can be surprised and find themselves in crap situations, and can be taken down and find themselves in trouble. As such...yeah, maybe more powerful, but not THAT much more powerful than the rest of us...just from a game perspective.

[Hashum]

I was in Anchorhead yesterday and it looked like the Jedi fight in the Geo arena in Attack of the Clones.

No really.. there were more glowsticks than at a rave.

So... I'd figured I'd give it a shot and went Special Forces.

Ganked by a Jedi
Ganked by 2 Jedi
Ganked by 2 Jedi
Ganked by 3 Jedi
Ganked by 4 Jedi



It''s true PvP is dominated by Jedi and if you are not a jedi, you're fodder

Yes but is Jedi not also the strongest profession in the Star Wars universe? I mean I'm sorry but I just can't feel sorry for someone who tries to kill a Jedi without a group.

As to DD's comment yes a Master Defender is a major tank however 1 master defender could only take 4 or 5 BH's if they don't know what they're doing. Go read the Jedi Forum's on SOE and you'll see. Unless the BH's are not good at PvP and the Defender is well aware of how to use all his Jedi skills this scenario is VERY uncommon.

Now I agree having to see Jedi all over the place is annoying, but again changing it so they're not Force to PvP or simply not allowing PvP (Of Jedi anyway) in Cities would make everyone's life happier. A saber in a city or starport should draw immediate Imperial intervention.

[Jerrel]

Oh one other thing I dont like the idea of removing the names of the jedi from the BH terms. Before I even accept a jedi bounty I put their name on my friend list to see if they're even on. With out the names one could no longer do that and BH would waste countless Probe Droids and time trying to get lucky and pick up a bounty for some one who is accually on.

[Jerrel]

Oh and solution to the greif problem with my suggestions.

1) Masters have two status' jedi and fallen jedi.

2) Jedi status is no change to the Master from the current game mechanics.

3) Fallen status locks tier 3 and up abilities from a master.

4) Masters have a force serge ability that allows them acess to master abilities for a limited time if they have fallen status.

5) The status of a Master is determined by having a student or not.

This idea is on the fly so it isn't really thought out completly but this is the direction I would start to head in finding a way that masters would be dependant on students so that a master wouldn't have something over their student. Any Idea's on how this idea would be better?

[Isleh]

I was in Anchorhead yesterday and it looked like the Jedi fight in the Geo arena in Attack of the Clones.

No really.. there were more glowsticks than at a rave.

So... I'd figured I'd give it a shot and went Special Forces.

Ganked by a Jedi
Ganked by 2 Jedi
Ganked by 2 Jedi
Ganked by 3 Jedi
Ganked by 4 Jedi



It''s true PvP is dominated by Jedi and if you are not a jedi, you're fodder

Yes but is Jedi not also the strongest profession in the Star Wars universe? I mean I'm sorry but I just can't feel sorry for someone who tries to kill a Jedi without a group.

As to DD's comment yes a Master Defender is a major tank however 1 master defender could only take 4 or 5 BH's if they don't know what they're doing. Go read the Jedi Forum's on SOE and you'll see. Unless the BH's are not good at PvP and the Defender is well aware of how to use all his Jedi skills this scenario is VERY uncommon.

Now I agree having to see Jedi all over the place is annoying, but again changing it so they're not Force to PvP or simply not allowing PvP (Of Jedi anyway) in Cities would make everyone's life happier. A saber in a city or starport should draw immediate Imperial intervention.

Except in the Universe you are talking about the Jedi were outnumbered. At the battle's height, it was about a 50-50 mix and there were alot of people there. Since when is a 50-50 mix outnumbered?

Let me repeat. HALF of them were Jedi. When I was in Mafia and tried PvP it was Rifleman/Combat Medic. I quit PvP because it sucked to try to play anything else with all the Riflemen/CMs running around. This reeks of the same thing.

I have an idea. Next time I see that happening. I'll stay on leave, note the Jedi that are there, pick a few, then head to the cloesest BH terminal and choose my target.

[Ekade]

Ugh.. hearing Isleh's recap is worrisome. I used to PvP a little.. and like many here I stopped because it was not fun for many reasons. It sounds like those reasons have not been addressed.

Combat needs to be a rock-paper-scissors game. Not just a rock and scissors game.

I think the SWG Devs have a little more WoW playing to do.

[Isleh]

Ugh.. hearing Isleh's recap is worrisome. I used to PvP a little.. and like many here I stopped because it was not fun for many reasons. It sounds like those reasons have not been addressed.

Combat needs to be a rock-paper-scissors game. Not just a rock and scissors game.

I think the SWG Devs have a little more WoW playing to do.

From what I hear, Griggs is planning on creating two guilds. One Imperial. One Rebel. No jedi. They will be at war. I would like to see an announcement so I'll head over to the SOE Gorath forums and see if it is true or just rumour.

[Ekade]

Ugh.. hearing Isleh's recap is worrisome. I used to PvP a little.. and like many here I stopped because it was not fun for many reasons. It sounds like those reasons have not been addressed.

Combat needs to be a rock-paper-scissors game. Not just a rock and scissors game.

I think the SWG Devs have a little more WoW playing to do.

From what I hear, Griggs is planning on creating two guilds. One Imperial. One Rebel. No jedi. They will be at war. I would like to see an announcement so I'll head over to the SOE Gorath forums and see if it is true or just rumour.

Yeah, the guildwar mechanism is the only way to control things. I remember reading about the RP community on Chimaera.. the PvP'er were in guilds that would war eachother. If someone was guilty of griefing, they were kicked from the guild. This way you could weed out the bad apples.

It sounds like Griggs is in the right track with this idea.

[Rebecca]

Jedi aren't so tough... in 9 total days of BHing I've taken down around 50.
No lie.

However... There needs to be a limit on them. And what the hell was with the devs allowing them to exploit the respec?
We went from like 50 knights... to 500 knights, in a period of 3 weeks.

BRING BACK THE 3 DEATH RULE! GOD!
That would stop all this jedi nonsense REAL fast

[Isleh]

Jedi aren't so tough... in 9 total days of BHing I've taken down around 50.
No lie.

However... There needs to be a limit on them. And what the hell was with the devs allowing them to exploit the respec?
We went from like 50 knights... to 500 knights, in a period of 3 weeks.

BRING BACK THE 3 DEATH RULE! GOD!
That would stop all this jedi nonsense REAL fast

Do jedi lose skill boxes if they get enough negative experience? Maybe they should, restting the negative experience to 0. That way they will care about visibility once they have their template done.

[Sai'nu]

One of my friends on Chimy is a Jedi and a skilled melee profession with her alt. I've not been there in over a year except to pop in to say howdy. However, she's in one of the predominant Imp guilds there and I can say there is a thriving PvP 'comunal' War between Rebel and Imperial forces there. All that is lacking are the leaders to get the ball rolling (here on Gorath)!

Me, I'm not a PvPer so this aspect of the game means nothing to me. There is no 'real' reward for participating in it; it's just something you do if you like to PvP. With the acception of the Force Ranking System now and the way in which you must take out a Faction Base. But, the latter does not necessarily involve PvP if there is no one there to defend said base.

In other words; PvP is a broken mechanic of this game; just IMO. However, the 'guild war' option 'is' something that 'again' is practiced and does give PvP a more 'thematic' RP feel to the game. *points to our swgtales guild leaders* So, get a war going already!

[Ekade]

In other words; PvP is a broken mechanic of this game; just IMO. However, the 'guild war' option 'is' something that 'again' is practiced and does give PvP a more 'thematic' RP feel to the game. *points to our swgtales guild leaders* So, get a war going already!

I was trying! No one wanted a piece of Templ though.

What I'd like to do with that is set up some small trial wars, watch them closely, and learn from the experience. I need some other guild leaders to get on board and help take this beyond the idea phase.