BD Gone... Going to KFC

[Jaminos]

I am done with the jedi grind safe to say. I am not going to be a Jedi for a while though. I like being a mean BH. If I become a Jedi it is RP scuicide. I can thank Blizzard Dunes for getting me there. But what they did makes little to no sense.

[Aknal Dreidel]

Thanks to the BD hunters, many of which are fellow rpers, I am nearly to a master profession, and if I can maintain the pace, I will reach my second mastery by next sunday.

[Ekade]

10k cover charges for buffs? There isn't a buff worth that.

10% on xp to a Jedi that only makes 1k per kill? It's worth it, trust me.

A 10% xp buff is only worth it if 1) You intend to use the full duration of the buff, and 2) if you have immediate access to the entertainer.

I worked out the math... 10% of an hour is 6 minutes. If it takes you longer than 6 minutes to find a dancer and get the buff.. you are better off just skipping it and grinding.


To put it in perspective.. when I was a dancer.. even the people in my group did not ask for an inspiration buff. That's how "valuable" it was.

[E-bo Obi]

Well if your group is not going to take a break at least ever 2-3 hours to use the refresher, grab snacks, put the kids to bed, or whatever then yeah it is worthless. But I know very few groups that can sit down for 8 hours and never go afk. Afk time is perfect for the old buffage. And in BD there has never been a lack of entertainers.

[Dwilah]

I accidentally paid 5k on a buff last night. The window came up and I hit accept without realizing what it was. DOH.

[Denia]

I see this is old.. But the terms in Kantara (or, KCI ) were moved to the shuttleport because the citizens were fed up with the grinders. ;)

[Revis Xizi]

I don't see what the big deal is about. They turned a shuttleport around, and moved the terminals to another cantina and everyone is making a big deal out of it. *shrugs, and goes back to the Hunter's Cantina in BD and finds a nice spinning group*.

[Jabe Adaks]

I don't see what the big deal is about. They turned a shuttleport around, and moved the terminals to another cantina and everyone is making a big deal out of it. *shrugs, and goes back to the Hunter's Cantina in BD and finds a nice spinning group*.

At the beginning I had no clue so I thought they shut it down. But as of today I realized it going full force. So I spun out about 2 million jedi XP and jumped 6 combat levels. It was a good day.

The first day I went to BD with the changes, it thought they were trying to kick the grinders.

Jabe

[Hashum]

10k cover charges for buffs? There isn't a buff worth that.

10% on xp to a Jedi that only makes 1k per kill? It's worth it, trust me.

A 10% xp buff is only worth it if 1) You intend to use the full duration of the buff, and 2) if you have immediate access to the entertainer.

I worked out the math... 10% of an hour is 6 minutes. If it takes you longer than 6 minutes to find a dancer and get the buff.. you are better off just skipping it and grinding.


To put it in perspective.. when I was a dancer.. even the people in my group did not ask for an inspiration buff. That's how "valuable" it was.

I disagree. I will get a 10% insperation buff no matter how long I plan on grinding. And if I plan on only grinding for 30 minutes I will still pay 10k to get the buffs.

As Toront said to a Jedi it makes a huge difference. Not only that but you earn 10k per mission so the expense is not enough to out weigh the fact that I need the XP more then the money.

Heck I would pay a 30k cover charge for buffs. And for a 3 hour grind have before due to cloning and having to rebuff. I think you underestimate the value of these buffs. I don't know anyone that likes hunting without these.

There are people I hunt with regularly that will leave the planet to go find dancers for their buffs instead of hunting without them.

[Jabe Adaks]

A 10% xp buff is only worth it if 1) You intend to use the full duration of the buff, and 2) if you have immediate access to the entertainer.

I worked out the math... 10% of an hour is 6 minutes. If it takes you longer than 6 minutes to find a dancer and get the buff.. you are better off just skipping it and grinding.


To put it in perspective.. when I was a dancer.. even the people in my group did not ask for an inspiration buff. That's how "valuable" it was.

I disagree. I dropped total of 40k in entertainer cover charges over the course of 4 hours yesterday. All to the same entertainer who was in the right place (the BD cantina). Some of that was because I lost my buffs after hitting the cloner, etc - I think it was worth every penny each time.

I would have gone elsewhere to get the buffs if I had to. Since I am grinding or crafting new lightsabers much of the time these buffs are very important. But for most players who aren't grinding or crafting I can see why they wouldn't care.

Jabe

[Dwilah]

I think maybe buffing just depends on what you're in the group for... Ekade, if I got in a group with you, I'm more likely to be grouping and hunting with people for the company rather than the XP, so I don't think to look for or ask for an inspiration buff. However, if I'm in a grinding state of mind and I'm at BD or MOP on Dant, I'll usually look for one because XP is the primary focus.

[Ekade]

There are people I hunt with regularly that will leave the planet to go find dancers for their buffs instead of hunting without them.

Then those people are bad at math.


The benefit of the inspiration buff is time saved.

10% of 60 minutes is 6 minutes. So basically you get 66 minutes worth of XP for 60 minutes worth of grinding.

10% of 2 hours is 12 minutes.
10% of 3 hours is 18 minutes.


If it takes you 10 minutes to go off planet, procure a buff, and return, you'd need to grind for about 2 hours just to break even. If you grind for the full duration of the buff, you have saved yourself 8 minutes.

The formula is this:
benefit (in minutes) = (grindingMinutes * 0.1) - minutesSpentProcuringBuff

If there was a fixed value that represented credits/time, you could subtract that too.

I disagree. I will get a 10% insperation buff no matter how long I plan on grinding. And if I plan on only grinding for 30 minutes I will still pay 10k to get the buffs.

10% of 30 min is 3 minutes.

[Hashum]

There are people I hunt with regularly that will leave the planet to go find dancers for their buffs instead of hunting without them.

Then those people are bad at math.


The benefit of the inspiration buff is time saved.

10% of 60 minutes is 6 minutes. So basically you get 66 minutes worth of XP for 60 minutes worth of grinding.

10% of 2 hours is 12 minutes.
10% of 3 hours is 18 minutes.


If it takes you 10 minutes to go off planet, procure a buff, and return, you'd need to grind for about 2 hours just to break even. If you grind for the full duration of the buff, you have saved yourself 8 minutes.

The formula is this:
benefit (in minutes) = (grindingMinutes * 0.1) - minutesSpentProcuringBuff

If there was a fixed value that represented credits/time, you could subtract that too.

I disagree. I will get a 10% insperation buff no matter how long I plan on grinding. And if I plan on only grinding for 30 minutes I will still pay 10k to get the buffs.

10% of 30 min is 3 minutes.

Your math lacks several factors. It has no consideration of what a grinding minute really represents. Depending on the group the benefit of buffs can dramatically increase due to the ratio at which you kill the MOB's.

And it's that time that would carry the most weight in a calculation which yours does not do. It may take me 10 minutes to go get those buffs I may make up the added time getting the buffs in an efficent group by hitting lairs in an orangized and very efficent manner.

So just because you can break it down to a mathmatical calculation you've omitted variables. And I'd have to say spendings even 15 minutes getting buffs will more then be made up by the more efficent grinding once I've gotten the buffs.

Now as Dwilah said if I knew I wasn't going to be grinding efficently then it may work out as you've described, but as is the case with all things in the end the X factor is preceived benefit. And as a fairly regular grinder I can tell you that the preceived benefits of these buffs are very high.

[Ekade]

Give me a number and I will show you.

What is your typical XP per hour when grinding efficiently? Specify if the number you provide is with or without inspiration buff.

[Jabe Adaks]

10% of 60 minutes is 6 minutes. So basically you get 66 minutes worth of XP for 60 minutes worth of grinding.

The inspriation buff is worth it, because it only takes 2 minutes to get an hour worth of inspiration. So you get 4 extra minutes of pure grindage for free. Besides you're standing at the mission term waiting for everyone to get missions and the entertainer is 20m away, you may as well be getting buffed.

Jabe