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Sorry Colonel but real doctor's don't pick and choose who they will treat.

True, but the smart ones know when.

On another note, the roba for me was a real let down. I couldn't make out what was going on half the time, and the thing I kept reading the most was "Kill the imperials" "Buff me so I can kill these Imperials". "Let's get a group TEF going to take these Imps out". Just killed it for me.

Also, I noticed about half the patrons were fully buffed. I admit, I came buffed, but that's only because last time I came unbuffed I got slaughtered, and I fully expected it to happen again this time. I wanted to at least make it out of there alive this time. Who comes to a non combat RP buffed?

I'm actually considering just changing my entire RPing to reflect as if we were in the New Jedi order era and fighting the Yuzzahn Vong as allies with the Galactic Alliance rather than the poorly illistrated pre hoth one we're currently in.

Bah. Enough of my ranting.

And that is precisely why I didn't buff. didn't want to toss around any of those nice diseases or poisons to kill the spirit of the game.

Viceroy Odantis wrote:its because i've been doing it so long and have to watch the game get less and less RP-like.

The more I look, the more roleplayers I find, and the more I find people who don't roleplay but want to.

There are some SERIOUS roleplayers out there that are hidden. There are also some very dedicated content creators wallowing in obscurity. I met one tonight and we had a great conversation. Blew me away.

I think RP is far from dead. In fact.. I believe we have a very good chance at making RP friggin BOOM on Gorath. I am completely serious about this too.

Nyase wrote:True, but the smart ones know when.

On another note, the roba for me was a real let down. I couldn't make out what was going on half the time, and the thing I kept reading the most was "Kill the imperials" "Buff me so I can kill these Imperials". "Let's get a group TEF going to take these Imps out". Just killed it for me.

Also, I noticed about half the patrons were fully buffed. I admit, I came buffed, but that's only because last time I came unbuffed I got slaughtered, and I fully expected it to happen again this time. I wanted to at least make it out of there alive this time. Who comes to a non combat RP buffed?

I'm actually considering just changing my entire RPing to reflect as if we were in the New Jedi order era and fighting the Yuzzahn Vong as allies with the Galactic Alliance rather than the poorly illistrated pre hoth one we're currently in.

Bah. Enough of my ranting.

One RP comminity that I researched has a rule stating only Stormtroopers can be buffed. (Getting buffed for hunting is allowed).

If you think about it.. it makes a lot of sense.

you know, yeah it does suck, but it happens on both ends, let's not forget imps overstep their place too.

people will do things that fuck up your RP, i promise everytime. You can either ignore it, or stop rping to complain.

I told tramel "please ignore the idiots, pretend they just don't exist i'll do the same"

the ones that were new recruits in my guild i fucking chewed out big time. You should have stuck around for my blow up outside the roba later.

However, i did have a very valid point that you and tramel made a very dumb move. You came in, pushing weight, which is one thing. But you did it was a couple of men without many guards (couple ST's) and proceeded to bully a MOB.

I kind of disagree with going "OH HE"S OVERT" in RP language

i don't agree with "my scanner shows him as"

overt/covert as a game status shouldn't reflect real ability. Tramel didn't have his name, but just looked at a wookiee...cause let's all admit wookiees are SOOOOO different looking especially toa racist imperial. I'm so sure he went "Oh yes, that Cormyr the wookiee wanted for X" i mean come on. It happens on both ends. Granted that's not as bad as "STUPID IMP!" and slapping. But call me an elitist, but i think "mistakes" were made on all sides.


Would a cop walk into harlem alone or with his partner and start pushing around criminals?

Authority is one thing, but he was in teh wrong place to be pulling it so rashly (gunning down a patron in teh streets...)

Which was a perfectly fine rp thing, but then quite frankly, i gotta "hold back" cause let's face it lol i know I alone could have probably killed every imp there, including your at-st. Not even darth vader himself would have been dumb enough to openly walk in a building FILLED with rebels and start killing one of them and expect "i'm imperial" to protect him.

like i said, mistakes were made on both. Believe me I am totally with you on the rebels acted much worse. However, i think the mass spitting slapping and MOB was caused by pushing authority without proper backing in the immediate area.

One of my favorite things to say to people would be some variant of this:

"Yeah, i'll get in trouble for shooting you...but you'll still be dead...up for it?"

Yes the empire is vast, but friday night the empire was represented by a couple people, and decided to push around a BUNCH of people.

Please understand i do believe all the rebels acted stupidly, but let's say they all just roleplayed and said you know what....screw you and just all dueled tramel. Should tramel accept? by rp standards yes because attacks shouldn't be "accepted or declined"

SO tramel would have been killed...not cloned 50 feet away...DEAD if it was "real" Death is another thing that messes up RP, speaking of consequences. So "realistically" how could tramel "tell on us" if we slit his throat....see what i'm saying. So if we (as good roleplayers) should play around doing that, The other side has to play along and give a bit too.

Probably sounding like a total jerk here, but i'm caring less and less

love ya tramel, hope you don't take offense to me using you in every example, you do a fine job roleplaying day in and day out i was merely using you as example to explain the inherent flaws in "realism" and "roleplaying" since the latter is trying to achieve the first, its ironic that it has to forego realism to make enjoyable roleplay.

Think of it this way though...

Why is batman still alive?

His villains have figured out who he is (some), why hasn't an anonymous sniper, from a rooftop, shot bruce wayne in the head with a bullet? Because it would make for a shitty story. So realism and roleplay are not one and the same. Roleplay strives for realism, but due to limits in the game mechanics, cannot achieve it.

If i die, i am NOT deleting my character. So that breaks roleplay...i cannot be killed, i'm essentially immortal...i can't act like that of course...but i am. So this is why i take personal offense to roleplay that revolves around "killing" anyone that's a real character. Both ends of the roleplay should always find some realistic way of explaining why the characters haven't killed one another. E-bo and I have a long history, had it been real, one of us would be dead,no question.

Novall? dead

E-bo? dead

tramel? dead

anyone that roleplays and has ever been involved ina combat plot: dead

but i'll wrap this enormously long post up:

Yes the people that spit on you and such should have consequences, because i'm not a fool..they didn't think as i'm explaining on their behalf..they were just being idiots lol, me justifying their actions doesn't mean its why they did, just why they COULD have done it.

However, a lot of roleplayers fall under "bad roleplayer" to me that let's just say not everyone agrees with me

Maybe i'm a bad roleplayer to a lot of folks too, who knows.

Ekade probably thinks so lol since i am a businessman but always seem to be fighting personal combat. (can't fucking help it 30 people a week want to kill me as part of their RP, and i happen to be a pvp character)

I'll make another post, since i've ranted enough here that i'm sure many have went "i am not reading all of that" and have skipped down to this part anyway, anyway the new post will be MY listing of what makes a good roleplayer, maybe we can all discuss and set some "rules" I've been roleplaying in various formats for years and think i'm a good authority on it (as arrogant as it is to say i'm an authority on something so abstract)

i'm done, for real this time

Well these fighting Story lines are good and all but I have a feeling if they aren't more on a duel level rather than an overt level then the Roba will just turn into a "Oh I bet there will be overts at the roba lets go kill them" PvP zone. Just a thought. cuz I got heated at DuoxDuox and Dillion the other day because they were buffed and attacked a stormtrooper MP-101 but the St wasn't buffed so I stepped in and of course I wasn't buffed and my pixie leaves me so I died. Then I come back to finish RPing and there is Duox talking crap so I, being a PvP'er, Get pissed and almost got the wrong crowd to come just to kill him. But instead Zaph was on his way so we killed him. the moral of the story is overts=fighting which =more overts and there are some Overt Imps and Rebs we dont want at the Roba. And by the way me and Duox are cool now and Dillion has earned my respect as a RP'er for how he Plays his Char.

yeah being overtis dumb anyway, my point was just a roleplayer shouldn't SEE the overt.

Just like other rebs shouldn't go "hey dude, ur a reb why are you talking shit on rebs" cause i'm a purple dot they know i'm reb (has made me want to go neutral many times)

the devs screwed up bad by making you know everyone else in your faction just by a color dot.

Then again, i'm for LETHAL combat (think shadowrun combat system) and open ended pvp (no duelling, no hiding from it, if someone wants to hit you, they can...towns could have guards to protect people (think UO)

You're right, the empire was undermaned that night. I didn't think we'd be taking on the whole town, so I didn't think raggs not coming up with 20+ folks to RP STs was a big deal.

As for idiots, I ignored them for the most part. Unless tramel specifically acknowledged them, I didn't bother. I was mainly there as support.

And I forgot the rest of my rant because this stupid thing ate my statment while I was typing it and I'm waiting on a corvette run. Maybe I'll finish later.

Zo,

Were we undermanned? Yes. We we outnumbered? Yes. Did I expect it? Kinda. Was it a dumb move? Not in the slightest.

You pose the question of whether or cop would walk into Harlem with his partner and start pushing around criminals. Well, let me tell you, more than likely it happens every day. I live in a pretty rough city, and it is fully well known that certain cops are corrupt, constantly rob drug dealers, etc BECAUSE they are cops. To use the most popular quote from a popular movie starring a popular actor, King Kong ain't got shit on them.

Think about the LA Riots in 91. The powder keg that sparked them was a jury aquitting cops of wrongdoing in the beating of Rodney King. You know how many cops were injured during the riots? 0. The Watts riots were the same way, sparked also by a police traffic stop. Number of cops injured, 0. In the small scale "riot" we had at IU after we lost the national championship game a couple years back, the cops were once again in the wrong. Cops injured, 0. The same goes for the Purdue riot after their women won the title (sorry I had to use sucky college examples, but this area hasn't had a good riot since the '68 Demo Convention).

I say that to say that the majority of the time, people don't go after cops because at that point it becomes a totally different ballgame. They hate them, but they rarely actually do anything.

I'm an Imperial, an Imperial Colonel at that. I am widely respecting throughout the regime that is ruling the galaxy. I have a tendancy to arrogance, but RP-wise, you should expect little else from someone in my position. Remember, fear is keeping the local governments in like, and I throw my weight around because of this.

From an RP standpoint, I don't think we were in the wrong. The wookiee thing I will admit I should have let go (because you're right, I shouldn't have "recognized" him so easily), but not the way we acted. We're the ruling party dealing with lessers the majority of the time.

Now, that being said, I didn't expect things to escalate the way they did. After all, we were just their to muscle the Viceroy a little bit, kinda startle him and see what he knew. I didn't expect the mass exodus of the Roba to the streets. I'm fine with the fact that it happened, and from a pure RP point of view, I think I did the right thing. High ranking Imperials are pompous, and caution is not the better part of their valor.

I'll use your comic example. Batman doesn't just get taken out by a sniper because that would suck for story, and we all know Batsy's stories are far better than anyone elses (especially that pansy Hal Jordan's or that poser Kyle Raynor). Superman could end his comics on the first page, but that would also make for a boring story. Superman would get beat around by some villian who doesn't match up in strength with him because it will make a good story, even if they have to suspend comic "realism." So, in a sense, the villians can only be as good (in the sense of good story and a good fight) as the "heroes" allow them to be.

This is where you all as rebels come in. The Empire in this game, PvP or RP, can only be as strong as you allow it to be because we are generally all on equal footing. I applaud people like Ekade and Alonzo who realize you don't just walk up to someone in an Imperial Uniform and yell "Long Live the Rebellion!" Sometimes I want people to go a little overboard in their cowtowing, but that's just me.

Some better choices could have been made on both sides, I will fully agree, but you have to understand when dealing with RP'ers you've not had much dealing with, these things are bound to happen. Not only that, but we all make mistakes.

All in all, I had fun at the Roba. There did seem to be a lot less RPers there (maybe just an off week), but I am noticing more and more new faces. I don't know if those people are coming there to RP or to PvP (I'm pretty sure Doux isn't there for the stellar RP). I'm hoping the former, but I suspect the latter. I know I won't let that discourage me, though.

As far as "death" in the game goes, from an RP standpoint, I don't think that anyone "dies." You get injured, but you don't die. As comics and soap operas have shown us, there are many different ways to cheat death and I'm sure you can come up with one of them. I will never delete the Colonel (he will be the last one to go if I give this game up). If I do, it's because I'm done. Hell, if I do it by accident, I'll leave just because of that. In-game death shows there has to be a limit to the RP, but that's put on us by in-game mechanics, not by our own ruleset.

Now, would you and your crew have dropped me if we all went to total war? Maybe. Maybe not. I'm confident that I would have beaten your guild if I could have gotten everyone 1v1. I wasn't accepting challenges on Friday purely because with my "newfound" RP, I rarely fight and you will rarely see me with a weapon.

I think you're painting me with that brush that RPer's can't PvP, though. I know of your legendary war with Nyghoma, but you were both armored. I don't wear armor ever. You will rarely if ever see me holding a weapon, but that doesn't mean I don't have one. If we would have fought and you armored up, yes, you would have won. If we would have stayed clothed, it would have been interesting. Just ask Rajow.

Ok, my book is over. Time to get back to playing Steel Soldiers.

Viceroy Odantis wrote: Also: I really know I'm risking sounding like an arrogant ass here, but just for the record once again (and believe me i'm not try to be an ass i just am pretty sure that's how it will be taken) i have been here since launch, ttf was the first rp exclusive guild, and the guild was formed shortly after launch ( like week 1) we were the first to build a house/factory on talus. So just to set the record clear, if i'm "pissed" its not because i'm new and frustrated at it, its because i've been doing it so long and have to watch the game get less and less RP-like.

Yeah, I know how you feel because Nocturnus and <MidCo> originally started as a brainchild between Skarr, X'an, Mess'tar, Tekla and I when I first got into beta. Our attempts at getting RP going here have been an uphill battle since day 1. We got very lucky to get together with a bunch of other friends that share our vision of what SWG should be (Seret, Gaaralow, Jorhel, Coiyonite/Jabe) and we keep finding more every day. Sure, we've had our share of idiots and boobs join and leave our group, but we keep going and don't let it bother us...much. When we dropped the Nocturnus city hall the day after player cities came out, it was one of the best days for me...because it signaled the beginning of a new phase in SWG for me...the one where we had a little corner to RP in and not be bugged.

I know I'm not the most outwardly vocal RPer on the SOE boards, I'm just happy to do my thing and have fun without telling everyone about great I am. I choose who my friends are and lead by example. If somone doesn't fit in, just like in a movie or TV show, I just write them out of the script.