Are We Alone in the Universe?

[Jabe Adaks]

Time empowers all possibility. Infinite time leads to infinite possibilities.

"Random genesis" may be improbable but for how long? And do the surrounding conditions stay constant over infinity? Each shot can lead it closer to the mark.

In that context the argument doesn't even have to visit religion. It can remain a function of possibility/time.

There is a concept out there that simply lays out the following two rules:

1) There is an infinite amount of time in the past and the future, no real beginning and no real end - just an endless passage of time.

2) All matter ends up destoying itself, wearing down, englufed in super novas, etc.. It just ends up incinerated.

Seems logical, material goods rot and erode and most of the material in the universe ends up destroyed and it's potential energy is exhausted until all the matter becomes inert.

If we also agree that there is infinite time in the past, then we must consider that all possibilities of material existence should have been exhausted. Which of course is a contradiction to the fact that we are standing here. So the simplest explanation now seems to point to the idea that some external force perpetuates the universe.

The rest is of this interpretation is yours to deal with.

Jabe

[Keer]

If we also agree that there is infinite time in the past, then we must consider that all possibilities of material existence should have been exhausted.
Jabe

I can see potential of this theory except for the exhaustion of possibility.

If I agree that time is infinite then I have to agree that the possibilities of...anything are just as infinite, thus not able to be exhausted.

And Arifo? Are you saying that a stranger, even one from another world, can win your hospitality with a beer and a smile? You galactic party girl you!

[Lok'i Vidaar]

Which of course is a contradiction to the fact that we are standing here.

You stand while you type? wierd.... Just Kidding ;)

Okay some more things to bring to the table...

1. for those who keep saying that some of the intelligent life may be more intelligent than us...

Of course some, but I think alot more than most of you think...

It isn't like we all started at the same time, infinite time in the past as well folks.

100,000,000 years ago their were dinosuars but no humans, I am sure we are not alone, I am sure their are more planets which can support life, maybe not our life, but other intelligent life. Just because we breath oxygen, doesn't mean everthing would have to.

2. Remember infinate possibilities.

if one in every 100,000,000 stars had a solar system with a planet which can support life, and one out of every 100,000,000 million of those planets had intelligent life their would still be millions of intelligent lifeforms through the universe.

Oh one more thing,

Our scientists have concluded the universe is constantly growing.

however I must believe it is truly never ending, how could it be, what would support the universe if it was an ending device?

I just dont see how it can stop bieng the universe somewhere. it must go on forever.

[Gaaralow]

The universe is not infinate, and niether is time. Popular theory is, that the universe is expanding and contracting. Scientists have recieved and measured waves (I forgot what kind) that have bounced off the edge/walls of the universe. It "looks" like a basketball being squished. And when the universe contracts again (think the reverse of the Big Bang), everything'll start over again. I'd explain the time not being infinate, but it's way complicated (and I forgot a lot).

Infinity is nothing but a concept, and everything is in a constant of creation and destruction. The possabilities are finite.

[Jabe Adaks]

Scientists have recieved and measured waves (I forgot what kind) that have bounced off the edge/walls of the universe.

So whats outside the walls?

Jabe

[Lok'i Vidaar]

Scientists have recieved and measured waves (I forgot what kind) that have bounced off the edge/walls of the universe.

So whats outside the walls?

Jabe

Exactly what I'm wondering.

How can it just stop bieng the universe at some point, and how can we trust anything that we believe in modern day science? The same rules don't have to always apply everywhere, I believe in infinate possibilities, and infinate timelines/dimensions. That's just me.

[Gaaralow]

So whats outside the walls?

Jabe

Nothing, everything. Can't see it nor measure it, and we never will know in our lifetime. I've got better things to worry about.

[Lok'i Vidaar]

Nothing, everything. Can't see it nor measure it, and we never will know in our lifetime. I've got better things to worry about.

Maybe not in you're lifetime ;)

I plan on living forever! Don't think I'm joking either. I will stick around and find a way, somehow.

[Jabe Adaks]

So whats outside the walls?

Jabe

Nothing, everything. Can't see it nor measure it, and we never will know in our lifetime. I've got better things to worry about.

Nothing is still something and so is everything. So what you're saying is that the universe is infinite?

Jabe

[X'an Shin]

Because it's on topic:

SETI thinks they've found a signal.

Sorry for a Reuters link. I hate them, but they're the only ones with the story right now.

[Gaaralow]

So whats outside the walls?

Jabe

Nothing, everything. Can't see it nor measure it, and we never will know in our lifetime. I've got better things to worry about.

Nothing is still something and so is everything. So what you're saying is that the universe is infinite?

Jabe

You know damn well I'm not saying that.

"Nothing" is the absence of anything, so it couldn't possably be "something". I think yer confusing "nothing" with "space". "Space" is not "nothing".

[Rye]

i try not to think about it i get paranoid easy

[Jabe Adaks]

You know damn well I'm not saying that.

"Nothing" is the absence of anything, so it couldn't possably be "something". I think yer confusing "nothing" with "space". "Space" is not "nothing".

So basically there's a big wall of nothing? And nothing does not equal something? Then what's the wall made of?

Jabe

[Lok'i Vidaar]

Because it's on topic:

SETI thinks they've found a signal.

Sorry for a Reuters link. I hate them, but they're the only ones with the story right now.

EDIT: I am talking about reuters BTW...
These guys freakin suck! and they are tards to boot. While I was in Ga. for the G8 Summit, we had this int'l conference center the media used for editing reports and even recording interviews and stuff, and the pres came their for a debreifing after the G8... anyway these fools were hooking up a little linksys router to our network, thinking it would work like a switch, and it was giving out IP's that wouldn't let people get on the network, they brought the whole network down TWICE!!!

Idiots, Just. Plain. Idiots.

And that story they put out, SETI scientist are excited because they found a signal in the same wavelength as hydrogen's reactions, and they say this is how anothery civilization would try to make contact..

how can they believe that, it would seem like that wouldbe soo hard to find, I mean If I wanted to make contact I would use something that would be noticed a bit easier, I think they are getting excited over nothing...

[Jabe Adaks]

SETI themselves have come out and discredited the media hype. Altough they were momentarily excited it does not pass the tests of being a signal that is at all intelligent or purposeful. The media of course blew it way out of proportion.

Jabe