Imperial RP question

[Keer]

Well.. you could just hate the "lesser aliens".

Like E.T., Alf, and Mork from Ork?

No, E.T.'s race was at least a member of the Rebublic Senate, remember? Gotta give him his props there.

And in the vein of covert intelligence, there were rumors that E.T. was responsible for the vaunted Ewok Hanglider's success against Imperial forces.

He just took the flying bicycle trick and went "Practical to Tactical" with it.

[E-bo Obi]

heh, yeah and wasn't alf an integral member of the team that recovered the death star plans?

[Keer]

heh, yeah and wasn't alf an integral member of the team that recovered the death star plans?

Yup. We all (or some of us that are old enough) know how Alf loved eating cats. Noghri Imperial Commandos fled in terror before Alf's ravenous feline appetites.

[E-bo Obi]

heh, yeah and wasn't alf an integral member of the team that recovered the death star plans?

Yup. We all (or some of us that are old enough) know how Alf loved eating cats. Noghri Imperial Commandos fled in terror before Alf's ravenous feline appetites.

LOL

[Griggs]

Emperor didn't hate all aliens He made Thrawn a Grand Admiral and he was a Chiss.

A lot of people use Thrawn to justify aliens in the Empire and I think it actually speaks to the opposite. Now, bear in mind that I haven't read Last Command (as I told Griggs, I'm trying to read ALL the SW books in order and I just got the idea for that after getting through the first chapter of Last Command), but from what I understand about Thrawn is almost everything he did was in secret. When he would challenge others to games of strategy, it would be in situations that protected his annonymity. Even at the Emperor's Retreat they say he is visiting from the Outer worlds.

Thrawn was suppose to be the absolute best of the best. There wasn't suppose to be a human that could match him, yet he was still kept secret. He was kept secret, although he was the absolute best, because the alien prejudice ran that deep.

He was far from a secret. As you read other books you will see he was actually pretty well known (and respected) - it was not unusual for him to show get personally involved with things either. When he went to get the ysalamari things from Talon Karde's planet he went down with the command crew, wearing his grand admiral uniform and not hiding it at all.

The more I read the novels the more it seems that most of the racism was the Emperor himself and not as much the men below him.

[Vixor D'zod]

Now this is the kind of discussion I can just embrace. Very good stuff.

I guess its all how we look at the Empire. Most will look at the Empire and compare them to the German Army circa WWII because that is probably how Lucas inteneded it. The look of Vader, the fact that they're called Stormtroopers, the hatred for other races besides Human, and a dictatorship run by a cold, calculated madman all point in that direction.

But I try for my own interpritation. I try looking at the Empire compared to the British Empire's company rule of India around the mid 1700s/mid 1800s. Not entirely mind you, while Britian was more after the control of certain resources rather than all-out conquor. This is entirely just for the purposes of how my characters act, not how the rest of you should.

With this in mind I do not take the stance that all alien races should be wiped out and crushed under my boot. Rather, I look at aliens races cannot rule themselves and the Empire will do it for them whether they like it or not, much like the way Britian treated India.

I base a lot of my character around Thrawn, who to me was the epidemy of an Imperial in command that would not only be feared but also respected. He simply forced surrender on civilzations rather than just wipe them out. He also used a heavy hand when the situation called for it. This is the type of Imperial I want to be.

I'm glad to see there are other Imperial Intelligence agents (and strangely enough no ISB) but I am also happy to see some Imperials outside the Intelligence chain. It leaves us with a variety of people to work with. I hope to meet many of you in-game soon.

[Vixor D'zod]

Emperor didn't hate all aliens He made Thrawn a Grand Admiral and he was a Chiss.

A lot of people use Thrawn to justify aliens in the Empire and I think it actually speaks to the opposite. Now, bear in mind that I haven't read Last Command (as I told Griggs, I'm trying to read ALL the SW books in order and I just got the idea for that after getting through the first chapter of Last Command), but from what I understand about Thrawn is almost everything he did was in secret. When he would challenge others to games of strategy, it would be in situations that protected his annonymity. Even at the Emperor's Retreat they say he is visiting from the Outer worlds.

Thrawn was suppose to be the absolute best of the best. There wasn't suppose to be a human that could match him, yet he was still kept secret. He was kept secret, although he was the absolute best, because the alien prejudice ran that deep.

He was far from a secret. As you read other books you will see he was actually pretty well known (and respected) - it was not unusual for him to show get personally involved with things either. When he went to get the ysalamari things from Talon Karde's planet he went down with the command crew, wearing his grand admiral uniform and not hiding it at all.

The more I read the novels the more it seems that most of the racism was the Emperor himself and not as much the men below him.

I agree with you there. However Tramel was probably referring to Thrawn's promotion to Grand Admiral as the secret, not the man himself. He was well known for his entire career as well. After the Emperor's death he was left to command the Empire and not hide his rank. Even the New Republic thought they wiped out all the Grand Admirals but they had no idea Thrawn existed.

But I whole-heartedly agree about the Emperor's views versus that of the whole Empire. I think his generals were a little more open-minded but still high on their power. They probably still viewed other races as scum, but possibly as necessary scum. If you are going to rule you're going to need people to rule over.

[TramelRaggs]

I agree with you there. However Tramel was probably referring to Thrawn's promotion to Grand Admiral as the secret, not the man himself. He was well known for his entire career as well. After the Emperor's death he was left to command the Empire and not hide his rank. Even the New Republic thought they wiped out all the Grand Admirals but they had no idea Thrawn existed.

Yes, that's what I was getting to. Thrawn was well known, but he wasn't known to be so high in command until after the Battle of Endor. The majority of his promotion and his elevation to Grand Admiral was done in secret.

On a side note, I know Nyase and myself are angry about this, but anyone else notice the Grand Admiral in the Theed Palace is NOT wearing white?

I guess its all how we look at the Empire. Most will look at the Empire and compare them to the German Army circa WWII because that is probably how Lucas inteneded it. The look of Vader, the fact that they're called Stormtroopers, the hatred for other races besides Human, and a dictatorship run by a cold, calculated madman all point in that direction.

I actually had a discussion at length with someone about this in game once. We were trying to figure out which power through history the Empire actually compared most to. Nazi Germany is not the best comparison by far. We went through around 15 discussing highs and lows (including present day USA) and we settled on Ancient Rome, whose Emperor also had the power to abolish the Senate in times of war.

[Griggs]

On a side note, I know Nyase and myself are angry about this, but anyone else notice the Grand Admiral in the Theed Palace is NOT wearing white?

I noticed this too but when i went to log on my tailor I found out why - those outfits do not have white, cream (ISB), or red (Intelligence) in their pallet

[E-bo Obi]

Well I guess it deters the Imperial Santa Clauses that would be running around everywhere.

[Griggs]

Well I guess it deters the Imperial Santa Clauses that would be running around everywhere.

And don't forget the matching red "hawtpants" that many fools would be wearing.

[E-bo Obi]

Well I guess it deters the Imperial Santa Clauses that would be running around everywhere.

And don't forget the matching red "hawtpants" that many fools would be wearing.

Guess that depends on who is wearing the hotpants =)

[Ekade]

Well.. you could just hate the "lesser aliens".

Like E.T., Alf, and Mork from Ork?

Specifically rodians.

[Ekade]

I tend to think of the Empire as a mix of both Rome under the caesars and Nazi Germany. Politically it is more like Rome, militarily it is more like Germany. There is some crossover in both arenas however.

The racism issues is mostly derived from the books though the movies do hint at it. In the few scenes that do, the military officers are human and they seem to look upon aliens with disgust.


However, anything can be explained in RP. I think what RP'ers must take away from this is to have an awareness of the prevalent attidudes throughout the galaxy and provide some historical justification if our characters are exceptions to these attitudes.

It seems that Zabraks are somewhat accepted in the empire, but not as favored as humans.

I don't mind seeing a twilek fighting for the empire as long as they have a somewhat plausible reason for doing so. As a purist I cringe when I see a whole passle of "aliens" with imperial afiliation. I try to maintain an open mind about it.. but often I see Wookiees and Trandosians hanging out together, pulling out their ATST's. I wonder if they have even seen the movies or read any of the books.

[E-bo Obi]

I wonder if they have even seen the movies or read any of the books.

No.