Buffs

[Isleh]

Good? Bad?

I know the hunter will take every advantage they can get but does the mark even stand a chance when the hunter shows up with doc buffs?

[Ringo Montgomery]

I personally think unbuffed is better, show's the true ability to fight in a quick battle.

[Ekade]

Good? Bad?

I know the hunter will take every advantage they can get but does the mark even stand a chance when the hunter shows up with doc buffs?

Not a chance. The hunters are combat capable folks. They will always be able to win if they are buffed versus an unbuffed Mark.

Being a Mark is a very interesting experience. You think about everything differently. As a Mark, it is pretty easy to elude your hunters forever. At some point, you need to decide to come out and fight.

Both times Marista tracked me down, I was safely inside a private residence. I decided on the 2nd time, that I should go out and fight. I could have just as easily stayed inside.. but I thought that would have been overly frustrating for the hunter.

[Jerrel]

Well personally I stand a better chance against the mark with buffs than without. A pure master BH only has a +2 to melee defence so the instant the mark runs up the BH is out. Now that we have more skill point there are ways to improve it but for the moment I'm a Master BH and I'm a 3-2-2-4 CH so as for the time being If you can get close enofe to me I dont stand a chance against even a Ewok with a stick. Though the instant I master CH I'll probably drop it for some brawler elite class.

[Ekade]

Ewoks are tough as hell.

A standard Ewok will kill a typical stormtrooper in this game.

[Isleh]

Well, now that I've been hunted.

Buffs are unfair.

Since it can be multiple hunters after the same mark and the hunter can pretty much choose the time and place. If buffs are allowed, the hunter will always win. What's is the point of being a Mark if, when the final fight comes, the mark has no chance?

What about Food, spice and pets? Yes since both ar available to the Mark and Hunter under the same conditions. What looks like what starting to happen is the Hunters are stacking buffs, spice and food.

My character is not totally non-combat (Master Dancer/Master Smuggler/Novice Medic). However, the odds are already stacked against me because the hunters are, for the most part, 100% combat. Throw buffs on top of that? Not even a one-in-a-million shot would help me. The Hunter would have to lay down and take a nap.

Unless something is done, this will slowly escalate into the comp armor, geo-pistol festival that PvP is now. So, as it stands now, I don't want to be a mark again.

[Novall]

Unless its a mark who I know is totally combat, I dont use armor. I will buff, but I will always do something that will leave me vulnerable in some way to the mark. My mind wasnt buffed at all

[Isleh]

Unless its a mark who I know is totally combat, I dont use armor. I will buff, but I will always do something that will leave me vulnerable in some way to the mark. My mind wasnt buffed at all

Novall and I talked in depth about thin in game (sorry if I used up alot of you play time Novall). I'm just upset because I would have settled for a slim chance in hell and I didn't even get that.

The RP was good, I enjoyed it. When I made a break for it, that was fun. 3 Hunters running after me while I was shooting over my shoulder, great! Running through the hostiles with the hope that they would attack the hunters chasing me and then them actually doing so? Cool!

Watching my blaster have no effect against the buffed stats and that I could run and heal myself all away accross Lok for the full 14 min until the pixie downer hit, without any chance of getting away? A big letdown and I stopped wasting the stims and then went down.

I gave up. I probably shouldn't have *sigh* but at the time, I felt the effort was pointless.

[Ekade]

I felt much the same in my fight with a bounty hunter. They were buffed and armored. Even though our battle lasted close 10 to min.. I never even got them to less than 95% of their total hitpoints. I had them Dizzy and KD'd and I could not even scratch them.

I guess I coulda ran or something.. but the hunter worked hard to find me. I didn't want to frustrate them beyond what was cool, even though I could have.

Hard to say what to do at this point. I think we need to run some more bounties before we draw any conclusions.

[Isleh]

The fact that I had absolutely no chance bothers me. I'll get over it ( venting helped :P ).

But, my biggest fear is that if buffs are allowed, then people will avoid the chance RP encounters. The spontaneity will vanish. Especially in this bounty system. The tell dialog between Novall and I was good. I enjoyed it. I don't want to see it turn into this.

Novall tell you "I don't have all day, My time is precious to me. Are you coming?"
You Reply to Novall "Against my better judgment, I will come. ( Err... the buff lines in coronet are kinda long. I hate to ask this, but will I need it? )"
Novall tells you "( :/ yeah )"
You Reply to Novall "( :/ sorry if I ruined your surprise. I'll get in line )"
You Reply to Novall "( some guy just paid 50k to cut the line )"

Some of the chance RP encounters I've had turned out far more memorable then the planned ones. I would like to see more of them. In fact, I will go as far as saying that for any RP setting doctor and entertainer buffs should be off limits. Buffed should mean OOC.

I think you'll see a lot more people willing to be marks if they realize they don't have to be buffed from logon to logoff.

Rivalries and grudges could be RPed better. You won't have the "Oh It YOU! *In a rage I draw my blaster* ( and does nothing, totally out of character, because they are buffed and I am not )"

[Ekade]

I agree with Isleh 1000% percent. My opintions are as follows:

Buffs affect RP adversely.

Zo, Tramel, Zannon, and countless others can cite times when Buffs made people act differently.

If a buffed player interacts with a non-buffed player.. the RP will be skewed. It basically breaks down to "I am buffed, and you are not..bwahahahah.. Are you afraid of me coward? /slap /spit /slap d00l me b1tch"

I know I would rather not have to go wait in a buff line every time I log on just to RP in a BH scenario (hell.. even to perform at a social event).

[Ekade]

I guess my real beef is that Buffs conflict with my sense of "RP reality in the SW universe".

I buff when I do OOC things like hunt.

I can see using spice and food to give yourself a little edge.. but Doc Buffs are over the top.

[Isleh]

I agree with Isleh 1000% percent. My opintions are as follows:

Buffs affect RP adversely.

Zo, Tramel, Zannon, and countless others can cite times when Buffs made people act differently.

If a buffed player interacts with a non-buffed player.. the RP will be skewed. It basically breaks down to "I am buffed, and you are not..bwahahahah.. Are you afraid of me coward? /slap /spit /slap d00l me b1tch"

I know I would rather not have to go wait in a buff line every time I log on just to RP in a BH scenario (hell.. even to perform at a social event).

It did skew the RP. I had Krioja out to help me when I showed up ( BE razor cat - 9k health 5k action 3k mind - stun and dizzy attack ). Dismissed. Why? They were buffed and it was no threat.

[dillion]

To hold up continuity, BH's generally work on element of surprise. Catching your prey off guard is one of their biggest assets. Their is also the marks failure to prepare. If you know your hunted. Shouldn't you attempt to play the part by preparing for battle. A hunted man should always be looking over his shoulder.

BH's in this system do not get the element of surprise, ever. A Bounty Hunter would not talk or negotiate with a mark until her or she knowes that the chips are in their favor. It's continuity on both parts.

If you went unbuffed a true RPing BH (IE has BH profession and uses BH weapons) and you had a mark that was say a TKA. You'd have a very unbalanced battle since the TKA can unequip their knucklers and still do very good damage at little health cost. They don't have to worry about the Armor piercing because there's not chance the BH will wear his armor in a unbuffed fight.

Bottom line is you signed up to be hunted, you know when your hunted or when someone places a bounty, you choose weather or not to prepare for that possible fight. If you chooose not to and you get caught, your gonna be a easy payday.

Just my opinion from being non-RP hunted everytime I log on. If you want to RP this part, RP it to it's fullest.

[Isleh]

To hold up continuity, BH's generally work on element of surprise. Catching your prey off guard is one of their biggest assets. Their is also the marks failure to prepare. If you know your hunted. Shouldn't you attempt to play the part by preparing for battle. A hunted man should always be looking over his shoulder.

BH's in this system do not get the element of surprise, ever. A Bounty Hunter would not talk or negotiate with a mark until her or she knowes that the chips are in their favor. It's continuity on both parts.

If you went unbuffed a true RPing BH (IE has BH profession and uses BH weapons) and you had a mark that was say a TKA. You'd have a very unbalanced battle since the TKA can unequip their knucklers and still do very good damage at little health cost. They don't have to worry about the Armor piercing because there's not chance the BH will wear his armor in a unbuffed fight.

Bottom line is you signed up to be hunted, you know when your hunted or when someone places a bounty, you choose weather or not to prepare for that possible fight. If you chooose not to and you get caught, your gonna be a easy payday.

Just my opinion from being non-RP hunted everytime I log on. If you want to RP this part, RP it to it's fullest.

Dillion, you were so upset about the SWG BH system one time that you told me you were considering quitting. Do you want to reduce the BH system we have to the same thing that the broken SWG system is? The system we are trying to replace?

Continuity can still be mantained without buffs. There is spice & food. If the BH knows that their mark is a TKA, there is food that can reduce unarmed damage that a BH can use against them. There IS other spices besides Muon and Pixe that boost only secondary stats. Spice, that when the downer hits, the main stats are unaffected and don't render you incapable of fighting.

The fact that you can only use one spice at a time and that you are limited to only taking so much food or drink means that the Mark and the BH have to be even more on top of their game.

Rather than piling it all on and letting the person with the quickest mind attack win.