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Although I've never been a big fan of the Avengers (Marcel Comics) I've always wanted but felt the stories where not all they could be and that they never really had an Artist I like working on it, but now that they've destroyed the Avengers in the Avengers Dis-Asembled story arch I've jumped on hopping it'll be good.

What would your Avenger line up be? Who would you like to see join the Earths Mightiest Heroes? Note: Can't use the characters who died in the Disassembled story. For those who didn't read it those killed in the story are as follws. Thor, Hawkeye, Vision, Wonder Man, and Ant Man. And you cannot use Scarlet Witch I won't say why but you can't.

As for my line up I'd follow the Wizards guild line for the Ultamate team of heroes and pick characters that best fit the roles.

Leader--Captain America

Tech Head--Iron Man

Power House--Silver Surfer

Telepathist--Marvel Girl (Phinoxe II)

Defence--Invisable Woman

Stealth--Night Crawler

Magic--Doctor Strange

Well thats mine what about your's?

From one comic geek to another...

First I'd leave the cosmic/mytholical characters out of it. My ideal Avengers would be earthbond, more realistic heroes (I use that word litghly). That means no Silver Surfer or even Thor. I don't hate Thor and I know he's an original character but I just never see him as a good fit.

So my lineup would be.

- Captain America (always)
- Iron Man
- Hulk (back when he had the full mind of Bruce Banner)
- Hawkeye
- Vision
- Quicksilver
- Jean Grey
- Doctor Strange

For me that covers the super team basics. You have the tech brains of Iron Man and Hulk combined with their powerhouse abilities. You have the leadership of Captain America, the team qualifications of Hawkeye and Vision, the pyschic might of Jean Grey, the tap into the mystics with Doc Strange and lets face it, every team needs a speedster, so you have Quicksilver to cap it off. Good enough team for me.

And damn you Jerrel for making me get my geek-on!

For the most part, I agree with Seret. As much as I like the Silver Surfer, I frankly think he'd be slumming with most of the popular hero teams. In a team (storywise at least) there should never be one member who can kick every other member of the team's butt and definitely not one who can take them altogether. The Surfer could do that with either of those rosters listed. One omni-directional cosmic burst and everyone'd be dead as fried chicken. Possible exception to Thor. Same argument with him as well.

In case there's any doubt of it, just consider that even after Galactus tuned down his power, the Surfer could still exist within the heart of a star. Not putting those others down, but that's just a whole bunch of power.

Thor, with strength and the hammer, add on a continent-wide thunderstorm and he's gonna be more than a handful. A telepath might get Thor (?), but not the Surfer. "Cosmic Awareness" and such.

I'd toss in Doc Strange for mega-power too but in a moment of weakness a well aimed .22 pistol could take him out.

So, I'd go for Seret's roster but replace Strange or Hawkeye with Yellow Jacket (Jerrel said Ant-Man, so that's my end run around ). Besides, even though Tony Stark's got the tech brains he never really was the Avengers' resident techie. Probably too busy running his company and shagging Halle Berry...

Banner was more a theoretical physics type than an engineer. Henry Pym was like the best of both worlds between those guys, juggling nucleotides and nanobots with equal skill.

Avengers Pet Peeve:

If Thor was going to be in the line-up, there's no way he should defer to Captain America. I respect Cap and all, but there's no way that one World War and some assorted mortal baddies match up with an eternity of Thor waging war against Frost Giants, Dragons, Goblins, Trolls, the occasional Pride Fight against Hercules, leading a godly army into Hel and back, and your step-brother happens to be nick-named "the God of Evil".

Maybe in the government reports it could have been Cap, but in the field it should have been Thor all the way.

Personally, I like to pretend that groups like Avengers and Justice League never existed.

Because honestly, I can't see half of the heroes they have grouped together ever working together. X-men? Bred as a team from day one.

But uh, Justice League? Batman teams up with NOBODY. Well, except for his occassional prodigal side-kick. ;)

I gotta disagree with you there, X'an. Batman may be my #1 Superhero but not because he's a loner character.

If you read any good JtL story you see just how useful Batman is as a character in the JLA. It just makes that "no super power superhero" thing he has going for it that much better, because here he is mixing it up with the big boys (and girls, sorry Wonder Woman).

There is no greater problem solver and thinker in the JLA. Plus Batman was never one to shun the likes of Superman, Wonder Woman and the other heroes of the JLA. When they need him he's there.

So if you haven't guessed though I've been a Marvel fan much longer the JLA is my favorite super team. You just have all the greats in there (and no I don't count Justice League Europe).

Seret Sajet wrote:- Captain America (always)
- Iron Man
- Hulk (back when he had the full mind of Bruce Banner)
- Hawkeye-DEAD
- Vision-DESTROYED BEYOND REPAIR
- Quicksilver
- Jean Grey-DEAD
- Doctor Strange

Sorry man some of you line up is pushin up dasies at the moment (really hate it when characters are constantly brought back from the dead).

See the Avengers are suppose to be the worlds greatest heroes who have come together to protect the world, ala JLA. I've always felt though that, with the exception Cap, IM, and Thor, was filled with second rate heroes. I do agree that Silver Surfer wouldn't join just cause he'd feel to pent up on one planet so I'd probable go with Capatin Marvel or maybee this Sentry guy apperin in the New Avengers. He looks like a power House but havn't seen enough to be able to tell yet.

On and if you didn't know the New Avengers Current line up is as follows.

Captain America
Iron Man
Sentry
Luke Cage
Spider Woman
Sider Man
Wolverine

This line up may change after the current story line thats goin on but never know seems like when ever a marvel book is doin bad in sales these days they slap Wolverine or Spidy in it.

Is JLE to JLA what Euro-disney is to DisneyWorld USA? Who was on JLE anywho?

To Jerrel:
Well you're right, a lot of those characters are dead as "dead" is defined in the comic book world. I just compiled my list based on a "dream team" in a comic world where they would stop killing off staple characters for the shock value. I've had enough of that. Every time a new writer comes onto the scene (some very talented ones) they have their own ideal team lineup in mind and they will make it happen no matter what person died or left in the past issues. Thats just the way it goes. In my mind those Avengers make up what the Avengers is all about.

To Del'ar:
Yes and Don't ask.

Dude, I have to know now. Its like watching a train wreck...or that new show "Love is in the Heir"...

It sucks, but you MUST know what is going on. Are they European versions of American comic book heroes? Like Le Hulk? Or Homme magnifique? Spill it!

Del'tar Chagas wrote:Dude, I have to know now. Its like watching a train wreck...or that new show "Love is in the Heir"...

It sucks, but you MUST know what is going on. Are they European versions of American comic book heroes? Like Le Hulk? Or Homme magnifique? Spill it!

Man you just like punishment don't ya?

JLE was just comic book character spillover. They took one or two main memebers like Flash and Martian Manhunter (who has been in every version of the JL) and threw in a bunch of crap characters like Animal Man, Metamorpho, Blue Jay and urk.....this is one name I hate mentioning.... Guy Gardner. So take 2% Main Super Heroes, 95% Worthless Superheroes and 3% crap and you get the JLE.

Now I suppose you want to know about Justice League Antarctica, Justice League Detroit and Extreme Justice too ya masochist!

Yes, Yes, and more Yes.

Seret Sajet wrote:

Del'tar Chagas wrote:Dude, I have to know now. Its like watching a train wreck...or that new show "Love is in the Heir"...

It sucks, but you MUST know what is going on. Are they European versions of American comic book heroes? Like Le Hulk? Or Homme magnifique? Spill it!

Man you just like punishment don't ya?

JLE was just comic book character spillover. They took one or two main memebers like Flash and Martian Manhunter (who has been in every version of the JL) and threw in a bunch of crap characters like Animal Man, Metamorpho, Blue Jay and urk.....this is one name I hate mentioning.... Guy Gardner. So take 2% Main Super Heroes, 95% Worthless Superheroes and 3% crap and you get the JLE.

Now I suppose you want to know about Justice League Antarctica, Justice League Detroit and Extreme Justice too ya masochist!

Want to see members of JLE, JLA, JLD and EJ? Just look in the background in the new cartoon Justice League Unlimited when they are on the space station. "Superhero Extras" like you see in any Hollywood crowd scene.

Now if they'd put Blue Devil, the Creeper, Dr. Fate and Etrigan together again with Bats... THERE'S a team.

Well, to me, it seems no matter what they do in comics; nothing is ever really final. The Death of Superman wasn't really the end of Superman. Batman has quit and came back a few times as well. Origins get changed and modified time and again. Old villians and super heroes get revamped/ rethought/ or just plain made over.

So, if you ask me, I don't think of the Avengers or any other team as really dead. However, I would say this here; Just once I'd like one of the comic book companies to have the gonads to just leave it at, "Yes, our heroes died and thats how it ended. They saved the world, the universe, or the parellel universes and the cost was their lives for ours." And then move on to something new and unrelated to whatever arch that team had had. In other words, if you kill off the Fantastic Four persay, leave that team dead and move on.

Some other things I like in this thread though is our love of character traights. Some heroes we seem to love because time and again they were presented as a sort of loner. Someone you didn't see in a team often; The affor mentioned Batman and even Superman work. Want a Marvel example; Spiderman. He didn't do teams for awhile till he wound up in a Benjamin Grim (The Thing) 'team' series of his own. However, I'll regress and offer up that these attributes often change in our heroes as different artists and writers come into play over the years.

New Avengers? Nah, leave them dead. But do an aftermath series that highlights some of the characters more memorable moments in their careers. Have surviving members cope with life without the Avengers as they continue on. Perhaps even have the Watcher do a little narration of it all.

Yggdrasil wrote:

Seret Sajet wrote:

Del'tar Chagas wrote:Dude, I have to know now. Its like watching a train wreck...or that new show "Love is in the Heir"...

It sucks, but you MUST know what is going on. Are they European versions of American comic book heroes? Like Le Hulk? Or Homme magnifique? Spill it!

Man you just like punishment don't ya?

JLE was just comic book character spillover. They took one or two main memebers like Flash and Martian Manhunter (who has been in every version of the JL) and threw in a bunch of crap characters like Animal Man, Metamorpho, Blue Jay and urk.....this is one name I hate mentioning.... Guy Gardner. So take 2% Main Super Heroes, 95% Worthless Superheroes and 3% crap and you get the JLE.

Now I suppose you want to know about Justice League Antarctica, Justice League Detroit and Extreme Justice too ya masochist!

Want to see members of JLE, JLA, JLD and EJ? Just look in the background in the new cartoon Justice League Unlimited when they are on the space station. "Superhero Extras" like you see in any Hollywood crowd scene.

Now if they'd put Blue Devil, the Creeper, Dr. Fate and Etrigan together again with Bats... THERE'S a team.

Now there is a good show. I may not like all of the extra JLA memberes they used (Booster Gold? Are you serious?) but they do everyone really well. I especially dig their versions of Dr. Fate and the Creeper but especially Green Arrow. Always big props to Bruce Timm and the Animated crew behind Batman, Superman and Justice League.