S&V Discussion

[IagoBoom]

Sarcastic playfull stament: Dude pull back on the harshness. I cann't speak for every one but heck since when did that stop me? I don't think every one is saying that the after party is a bad idea nor that we all should dump S&V night. I think all we are debating here is how to bring back the scum and vililliany back to it is all. I'll post what I stated on the...whatever post that discusses this same thing.

Sorry, bro. I don't intend any harshness.

I, personally, don't have any care for the scum and villainy part of S&V. The event hasn't changed much since I first attended, from what I've seen....it's just different people, now, so the atmosphere of the room has changed.

The prevailing attitude is that of the Roba. Having fun with your friends and improv RP. If someone decides to be shot, at the Roba...half the room gets involved. When Rebecca showed up drugged and wounded (I forgot the details) after Casino Nite, there was a crowd helping to take care of her. Events are what each person makes them. If enough people show up to scare the dancers, the dancers will be scared. If it's just 3 musicians and the girls, S&V will be Flirt Nite with an audience.

My advice is, if you want to turn it to what it was intented to be, gather a group, and come with a plan. If you like it as it stands, just keep showing up, and don't be rigid to the changes that may happen. The party will continue, it'll just be shaded more.

Of all of the suggestions, I feel that putting the shadowy dealings in the back room would be best for everyone. It'd make the event one that appeals to most, if not all of us.

If there's any concern, Jabe gave me his blessing in starting this new discussion.

[Jabe Adaks]

My advice is, if you want to turn it to what it was intented to be, gather a group, and come with a plan. If you like it as it stands, just keep showing up, and don't be rigid to the changes that may happen. The party will continue, it'll just be shaded more.

I would tend to agree. S&V has become what each person or group of people is going to make of it. Thats the nature of RP though. Novall has shared some thoughts in another forum and his ideas were dead on. If you want a certain aspect, make it happen. I am looking forward to helping in whatever way I can.

I know Zannon and Novall have organized some nice smuggling missions that have been run on S&V night. Take ideas like that and run with them.

The "two room" idea isn't half bad either. I would like to see some folks feedback on this as well. Carry on, discuss and hopefully lets not get too derailed. This entire community is a team, everybody makes this happen.

Jabe

[Novall]

I origionally didnt post this here, but it was given the thumbs up to so I am. Its probably gonna piss some people off, and I hope you all dont think less of me for it...but I've been poo poo'ed before so once more aint gonna kill me.

The whole S&V isses kinda pissed me off a little. Here we have people talking about themselves going to S&V like there the only ones who have ever went. Hell half of em never knew about S&V till well after a few months it had been rolling.

The theme of S&V has seriously been lost in my opinion...its just another Friday night nowdays. Take that however, but the truth has to be told. A big part of my having to take a break was because the element that some of us less the nice characters have tried to bring has been totally overshadowed by party time.

Hell I remember times when I went on Vacation and got back by 5-6PM a week later on Sunday just so I could get ready and goto S&V. Now days Its like "Why bother...you just saw the same stuff on Friday." I'm NOT blaming it on the entertainers or anyother players. Its a theme failure because the S&V atmosphere either wasnt adaquately stressed or the people coming didnt want to have anything to do with the S&V part of it to begin with.

Let me tell you, after some of the replies I've seen. MERCS will be up in that joint full force. I swear I'll friggin bust that place up so hard with some S&V that Valarian will have her tank ass in a rusted out escape pod. We'll have to rename it S&M (no pun intended) night for Slime and MERCS night.

(addition to the origional post)

Af as far as pushing the "shady" part of S&V night to the back of the room...thats BS in my opinion. I remember when the "party" part of S&V was in the little room to the left as you face the back of the place and it was never made to go there...it was just there. Now you wanna push away the CORE THEME of the whole damn night? Thats unaccpetable in my book...and yes I WILL do something about it.

If that means MERCS is hired by Jabba to come in with guns and knives and recreate a virtual representation of the St Valantines Day Massacre up in the LD to get some S&V back where its supposed to be...then thats what'll happen.

Some of you are gonna say "Oh...where do you get off saying something like this!" Well, I pay for and play the same game as you do for one. I also helped start S&V night, and its shameful to see that its getting to the state it's in. If we wanna do a 24/7 cantina crawl, thats one thing...but I will not be pushed back into the "back room" to play my game.


Its gotten way off track, and goddamnit I'm puittin it back on. I blame myself for not keeping it with the theme it was designed to be in. That however WILL change. count on it...

/rant

[IagoBoom]

Let me tell you, after some of the replies I've seen. MERCS will be up in that joint full force. I swear I'll friggin bust that place up so hard with some S&V that Valarian will have her tank ass in a rusted out escape pod. We'll have to rename it S&M (no pun intended) night for Slime and MERCS night.

Af as far as pushing the "shady" part of S&V night to the back of the room...thats BS in my opinion. I remember when the "party" part of S&V was in the little room to the left as you face the back of the place and it was never made to go there...it was just there. Now you wanna push away the CORE THEME of the whole damn night? Thats unaccpetable in my book...and yes I WILL do something about it.

Novall, buddy. I love the "full force" and the kickin' Valairan butt...but...we need a consensus, I think. If our community wants S&V the way it was originally, then we'll do that, and if a majority prefers "another Friday night" we should do that. No event belongs to someone unless they're GMing and started it (and I'm not suggesting that you're saying this).

Personally, I prefer the 2 room situation, because that would give RPers more of a choice, and allow people to move between the two rooms...AND it makes sense to keep the seedy stuff under a fascade of pretty dancers.

Are there more possible solutions? I'm sure there are.

Is turning S&V back to it's intended purpose the right move? That's not for me to say, but I prefer to see more opinions on this subject. If I don't want to RP as afraid of the BH's that show up, I'll either try to avoid contact with them so I can RP as I see fit, or I'll pretend they're LadyLin.

I don't mean to take a defensive stance, so much as I want to wait until SWGtales decides what S&V should be, before we make a change. If the consensus is to change it, I'll even help in any way I can. (I'll gladly portray Dead Rodian at Table #2 on some nights. ;) )

[Dwilah]

Perhaps, as suggested, we should just show up. The atmosphere will change depending on who is there--I would suggest we all simply attempt to be attentive to who is there. Maybe there isn't a need for segregating ourselves.

While it is arguable that some people would say, "My character has no reason to be in a seedy environment." Or, "My character has no reason to approach other characters." Or, "My character would seclude all meetings to private rooms." This is understandable...however, sometimes it's important to remember to bend RP a wee bit in order to stay friendly and to stay open for new RP opportunities. The isolated character has to step out and say hello, meetings sometimes need to be in the open though they deal with sensitive business matters...you get the idea.

If we all react a little more to what we're given rather than focusing on ourselves so much, I think maybe the event (all RPs and events) will be more fluid and we don't have to have to argue. We are all guilty of this at times.

There is a great deal of guided RP linked to S&V that has been discussed among quieter circles and some people involved in live events had no way of knowing about the planned guided RP. However, I think it's a safe bet for me to say that it's a cool idea and I really want it to succeed-- successes have already been made. These guided RPs will help enrich and develop RP environment at S&V for everyone.

I dunno if I've really made a point because it's late and I'm sleepy.

[warsloth]

is there a Roba this friday?

[Jerrel]

1) Iago I wasn't talkin to you bud it was a replie to Tovarr. I got nothin but love for ya guys so dont take it the hard way.

2) Novall I think the fasade idea is great and VERY REAL man. Without incrimidating myself too much I know for a fact that the crininal elemet in Los Angles uses fasades all the time. Be it a pool hall where in the back you can play some cards while some guys buyin some drugs or a night club where in the VIP section some very Mexican Mofioso guys can make sertain deals I dont even want to dream about knowing, and you know what next to zero persent of those who show up to play pool or dance the night away know whats going on. This fasade idea will simply allow those of us roleplay the s&v part without forcing the socialites into roleplay they may not want at all. And those same socilites who cann't see their character going somewhere serriously dangerous an excuse to be oblivious.

[Sai'nu]

Well, I think we ought to give Zannon's idea a run. We're going to have to work on something though and that's wither this is going to have an ongoing story arc of sorts; Or if we're going to implement different 'plots' each time we show up for the event.

Novall, it would seem you've got a great reason to bring in the 'thug' element (and please don't consider that a pun). While Seret and Zannon start up the 'smuggling' opporation. With these two elements and some of our own interests thrown in; I know we can make S and V work and feel a little more seedy for us all.

[Ekade]

...however, sometimes it's important to remember to bend RP a wee bit in order to stay friendly and to stay open for new RP opportunities.

If we all react a little more to what we're given rather than focusing on ourselves so much...

Amen sister!

Quite truthfully, this is my only goal most nights when I go to S&V, Roba, and Casino Night. You know what? It works! Sometimes I end up with more RP than I can keep up with on a given night.

The "Reaction" is just as important as the "Stimulation". For people who are less seedy and less villainous.. I feel like they do have a place at S&V night for this very reason.

[Sai'nu]

Bottom line is that we can all have a role in these events however we decide to run it; the important part is making sure we're all having some fun while we're RPing.

[Kabarra]

I have missed these for one reason or the other since I've found out about them. This past s&v night I got there really late and no one was still around. Durn time difference stuff and all.
BUT, the idea is a great one, the setting is a great one and the whole thing sounds bitchin to me.
It brought to my mind the scene in pulp fiction..'Alright everybody be cool! this is a robbery!' 'Anyone of you f*ckin pricks move and I'll execute every mothaf*ckin last one of ya!' That's some scum and villany right there.
I dunno what the past s&v's have been like...I would love to shake stuff up and be the villian that Kabby has been in the past...at times...when on a Tat Sunburn bender.. He can get downright scummy and villianous, and has been known to start a few cantina brawls.
Sorry I'm ramblin incoherently today.
Just my .02

[Ekade]

I don't know if we are all on the same page as far as what is the scene at S&V.

Let me try to explain it this way...

Scenario 1:
- A seedy scene, ridden with lowlife scum, spice addicts, starving and desperate criminals who would kill you for a scrap of food.

Scenario 2:
- Middle class. Freighter pilots and people with jobs might go here to have a drink. The crimals here are those who do the legwork, the smugglers. Here's where contacts are made, where you may find a gangster trying to recruit you.

Scenario 3:
- A very upscale criminal element, where politicians and government officials might go to mingle.. and get "business" done. This is where the big hitters of the outer rim might go to set the wheels in motion for master plans. The come here to flaunt their status and try to influence their peers.


When you think of Scum and Villainy.. what scenario comes to mind for you?

Personally I have always felt it was closer to #3.. thus the presence of top-notch entertainment. The drugs done their are the good sh--. The money that is gambled is large. Lotsa bling bling.

Now.. If you guys want to make it more like #2, and have Club Midnight be more like #3, I am fine with that. We should come to some sort of agreement so we can shape our roleplay accordingly.

[Tovaar]

1) Iago I wasn't talkin to you bud it was a replie to Tovarr. I got nothin but love for ya guys so dont take it the hard way.

Im sorry I must of missed the reply... what was it again?
The whole discussion of the last forum turned me very sour to S&V. I know I am not the only one that feels that way. I hope everyone is able to find a happy balance and return S&V to its latter glory. It still hasnt changed my mind though, it was stated before that people without a purpose to be there should not attend, its not a social hour. So with that, until Tov has a purpose, and very rarly does she, she will not be attending *shrug*
If the dancers need to hire someone as a body guard or some sort (Tov is a TKM, Doc, and FS boxes so she could pull off that role). If im needed as a dead body im up for that to. Its not that I am boycotting the event, its just im going with majority wishes and not attending til there is a reason to do so. I do like how this thread is opening a working discussion of how things should be in the future. I hope the event does turn into something everyone can be happy with. Although its unrealistic to think it will live up to everyones expectations.

[Jerrel]

Ok maybee its because your font size is bigger than normal. I read your post above Tovaar and re-read the post where I was tellin ya to chill and the latter seemed like you where upset, but when I take into consideration to ignore the fount size it doesn't seem like you're takin this as serriously as I first though. Sorry for the misinterpitaion on my part Tovaar.

[Keer]

Scenario 1:
- A seedy scene, ridden with lowlife scum, spice addicts, starving and desperate criminals who would kill you for a scrap of food.

Scenario 2:
- Middle class. Freighter pilots and people with jobs might go here to have a drink. The crimals here are those who do the legwork, the smugglers. Here's where contacts are made, where you may find a gangster trying to recruit you.

Scenario 3:
- A very upscale criminal element, where politicians and government officials might go to mingle.. and get "business" done. This is where the big hitters of the outer rim might go to set the wheels in motion for master plans. The come here to flaunt their status and try to influence their peers.


When you think of Scum and Villainy.. what scenario comes to mind for you?

As one of the starting contributors to Scum & Villainy Night, I'd like to offer some input. I haven't attended one in months... but based on the questions and comments I've seen here it looks like core ideas are in debate more than detail. In general, these insights will try to reconcile the ideal with the practical.

Novall's take on what S&V should be is exactly what we'd imagined it be way back. Bascially, Jabba's Palace...just a little bit more to the east. And of course no Hutt. But, dammit if you wouldn't know what would happen next. It was a wild card.

If I remember correctly, Jabba's Palace was on the short list of main "homes" for S&V but we decided to ditch it because non-Jabba Theme Park badgers would be gated out of it. The Mos Eisely Cantina (aka Chalmun's) too, but it was too small. Lucky Despot was the right spot for size and flavor, but I digress.

The scenarios listed by Ekade fit well for main choices, and personally I think S&V fits into Scenario #1. Seedy, grimy, gritty. Basically, earning the namesake from the town and Obi-Wan's line in the movie, "...wretched hive of Scum & Villainy".

In my view, we have other spots that fit the Scenarios #2 & #3. Being privileged to be around for the early days of The Crazy Roba on Talus, I saw that as being between Scenario 2 and 3. Over time, though it seemed to become more Scummy & Villainous than S&V. I'm not shooting at it or anyone, but I think many of us would agree.

Club Midnight I saw as definitely Scenario #3. The "jewel in the desert" like Vegas, or at least how Vegas used to be before it became family friendly. Glitz, Glamour, Gambling. All run by your local "Neighbor Hoods" just down the road.

As far the practical side, I realize that tight definitions don't always flow with RP. It becomes it's own creature sometimes. And even ideally, there should be a small dosage of all of the flavors in the different spots at time.

Time is the other practical consideration. Sunday night is the only time for most people to do their RP thang. They might want to let loose and not be confined to this or that theme.

I've no hard and fast solution, just offering perspectives. Food for thought for whatever solution comes up.