BH Disscusion (very rare, Jerrel rants)

[Jerrel]

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/boar ... 396&page=1

I've noticed that I dont rant here very often...I think its cause we dont have power gamers here and that we're all roleplayers. Either that or you guys are just cool and dont piss me off to often for me to go balistic.

[Seret Sajet]

I've noticed that I dont rant here very often...I think its cause we dont have power gamers here and that we're all roleplayers. Either that or you guys are just cool and dont piss me off to often for me to go balistic.

Sorry, I'll try harder.

[Hashum]

I don't know why this has to be such a complicated issue. SOE just needs to change the BH requirements to Master Marksman Unarmed IV which really ties in better with the profession and for RP.

I think everyone Melee and BH would be happier for the change. That's just my opinion though. What good is exploration to a BH when he has tracking droids anyway?

[ehili]

have to say .. here here..

there is one profession that should stand a fighting chance against a jedi one on one and that is a MASTER BH.. for the simple fact that is their job.

i know alot of people that are not master that wreck jedi.. and well i dont agree with it.. Master should have an edge..

/agree with Jerell

[Jerrel]

I've noticed that I dont rant here very often...I think its cause we dont have power gamers here and that we're all roleplayers. Either that or you guys are just cool and dont piss me off to often for me to go balistic.

Sorry, I'll try harder.

Dont worry man I've learned to filter your posts out like white noise.

[Jerrel]

I don't know why this has to be such a complicated issue. SOE just needs to change the BH requirements to Master Marksman Unarmed IV which really ties in better with the profession and for RP.

I think everyone Melee and BH would be happier for the change. That's just my opinion though. What good is exploration to a BH when he has tracking droids anyway?

I think the devs were thinking that some one that has learned to track sentients probably would have learned to track in general hence the Scout requirement. If you look in the Star Wars Roleplaying Game: Player's Handbook you'll find the requirments for the Bounty Hunter Presteage class includes the Feat Track witch you atomaticlly gain at first level of Scout. I can see the logic behind it too but I think that it would make more sence if the Scout had a water down track ability like the rangers in the exploration tree. I'm not saying we should get it but the logic path the devs desided to go down would make more sence if that was the case.

[Jaminos]

Ok, I am not a master bh, but I have been around long enough to have basicaly been one. A Melee Bh may have a chance. But if you are a ranged bh like most of us then there is no way you will take down a Jedi unless he is unbuffed with no lightsaber. I have killed only two Jedi and they were just novice as it can get. They both were waiting in line for buffs and had no LS out. Little did I know, they have freinds who are Dark jedi knights so when they come after me I got three hits out of twenty shots and I died while they did not even look like they were hit once. It is a double edged sword. There are the Bh's such as myself who avoid pvp and keep near RP. Then there are the BH's who are as far from rp as can be and have true skill with fighting.

It kinda makes me mad though that the Jedi think we should be any more nerfed then we already are. I stand little chance against a Padawan let alone a full fledge knight. I am not saying I shoul eaither. I think if anything they should give the Bh's a better system. A bh is a master of almost all weapons and can track you down in almost any enviroment. A BH should be just as deadly unarmed as they are armed. I am a master Pistoleer/ Bh pistols and some investigation for the high paying bh missions. I only do about 300 400 damage on a good day. With my best weapon.

I am not saying I should be hitting you for 200 damage each shot like how I hit NPC's but I think we should do a little more damage after becoming a feared creture across the galexy.

I am sorry, now I am ranting.

[Ekade]

This may come as a suprise to some.. but Ekade was an MBH at one point.

This was a time period I call the "dark times". Was around November of 2003, I had no RP going on whatsoever and decided to pursure the false promises of the holocron.


I went from being a TKM/Dancer to BH.. let me tell you.. the first thing I noticed was the lack of defense. I felt about as tough as a paper doll. Anything could rip me to shreds. MBH is all offense and no defense.

It is a tricky think making MBH tougher than anything else. Do that and EVERYONE will want to be an MBH. At the same time in the SW universe, BH's were kind of the badasses of the galaxy. It all comes down to balance.

The Dev's don't want to make choosing a combat profession a no brainer, nor should they.

At the same time, I would like there to be some meaning, or a sense of awe when one sees the title "Master Bounty Hunter". Of course.. the problem with the "level" system in this game is that it is not hard to master any combat profession. No one says "Whoah.. a TKM" anymore.

It takes more time and skill points to master dancer or musician than it does to master any elite combat profession.

[Jaminos]

Well, I am mulling over the idea of dropping smuggler and just going up the master bh area. it would back up Jaminos more in RP. just haveing pistols and investigation two is not much of a hunter.

[KirtViza]

Ok..Time for an old school MBH rant.

Ekade is correct at the present moment bounty hunters have not one point of any kind of defense, and yes we are completely offensive in more ways then combat..hehe. That is not the MBH problem, the problem is we didnt master this profession cause we want to be uber about 90% of BH's just want our lil bit of def, and more for grinding out one of the toughest professions ((combat)) out there. We cant go to the squill cave like jedi and tkm's to get master, we have to run missions and re run them, yet jedi want to say "Ohh I grinded out xxxx millions of xp, and it took me 3 months to get knight", yea and back befor the times of 1 mintute shuttle waits, and player shuttles it took a good average joe the same.
We (( the BH's)) are not asking for some stupid melee in our profession, we completly understand that a BH is Ranged. The only BH's that want that is the few that are melee and BH 3/0/0/0, and why so they can get more def stacking to their already stacked template. I dont want much just take the LLC out give us some gadgets and gizmo's, a Sweet ass MBH pistol only that knocks saber block down a bit for us and last but not least..Put trapping back in as a requirment, thats all, Like I said we dont want a whole lot, just more SW feel to the game.

(( Of couse I would love to see a server wipe of all the jedi and tell them permadeath is back on..just pray I dont ever get the rights to this game. thats the first thing in my book 8-) 8-) 8-) ))

[KirtViza]

Ok, I am not a master bh, but I have been around long enough to have basicaly been one. A Melee Bh may have a chance. But if you are a ranged bh like most of us then there is no way you will take down a Jedi unless he is unbuffed with no lightsaber. I have killed only two Jedi and they were just novice as it can get. They both were waiting in line for buffs and had no LS out. Little did I know, they have freinds who are Dark jedi knights so when they come after me I got three hits out of twenty shots and I died while they did not even look like they were hit once. It is a double edged sword. There are the Bh's such as myself who avoid pvp and keep near RP. Then there are the BH's who are as far from rp as can be and have true skill with fighting.

It kinda makes me mad though that the Jedi think we should be any more nerfed then we already are. I stand little chance against a Padawan let alone a full fledge knight. I am not saying I shoul eaither. I think if anything they should give the Bh's a better system. A bh is a master of almost all weapons and can track you down in almost any enviroment. A BH should be just as deadly unarmed as they are armed. I am a master Pistoleer/ Bh pistols and some investigation for the high paying bh missions. I only do about 300 400 damage on a good day. With my best weapon.

I am not saying I should be hitting you for 200 damage each shot like how I hit NPC's but I think we should do a little more damage after becoming a feared creture across the galexy.

I am sorry, now I am ranting.

Ok sorry to sound like an ass here jam jam, but you must really not know how to fight any type of target. I was and I will always remember this cause it was the first Jedi kill I had with the new payout system, I was bh3/4/4/0 pistoleer 3/2/2/3, and I kicked a 125k mark which means in those non-knowledgable in the new system that this said jedi ((who I still have a DB SS of)) had over 125 skill points in his jedi template and I killed him with ease not cause he was stupid but cause you need to know your target, how he thinks so on and so forth. as an ex master bh and if the CB is as good as the devs keep saying I will return, I could easily take down 160k missions alone its not that hard, all you need is Brandi, and Vercupti thats it, if you use pistols go for torso shot, then spam eyeshot if you get in close and make a run by shooting, use pistolmeleedef1 to KD, then run away spamming eyeshot, if you use carbines ((which are my fav against jedi)) thats really easy, first you hit them with a dizzy cause your first shot 9 times out of 10 will stick hard!, then use firekd, and chargedshot in sequence with fullauto3.

Im no PVP master, cause I actually hate pvp but hunting jedi is what I want to do with all my hatred for them and no im not jealous, I had a knight on TC2 last summer for the enclave testing and I actually think they ar way overpowered, and an overpowered profession has no rights in a MMORPG when things are suppose to be fair! Ok im done ranting for the day...see ya tommorrow

[Jabe Adaks]

there is one profession that should stand a fighting chance against a jedi one on one and that is a MASTER BH.. for the simple fact that is their job.

Not really as much as the Teras Kasi are in charge of keeping the Jedi in check. I do believe BH should be second in the runnign for the profession that *should* be a good fight against the Jedi though.

Jabe

[Ekade]

Well.. back in my day.. the shuttle times were 10 min.. and there were NO VEHICLES.

Your average round trip, BH terminal to mark and back to BH terminal, averaged over 40 min. You had to do over 60 of these to master. I did about 2 or 3 a night.. it was gawdawful.


That being said.. it was even worse before I did it. Investigation took 4x as long back in the early days. THOSE MBH's were insane.

[KirtViza]

Well.. back in my day.. the shuttle times were 10 min.. and there were NO VEHICLES.

Your average round trip, BH terminal to mark and back to BH terminal, averaged over 40 min. You had to do over 60 of these to master. I did about 2 or 3 a night.. it was gawdawful.


That being said.. it was even worse before I did it. Investigation took 4x as long back in the early days. THOSE MBH's were insane.

Yea that was me, took me exactly 13 weeks cause I took a week off now and then, but it was a bitch.

[KirtViza]

there is one profession that should stand a fighting chance against a jedi one on one and that is a MASTER BH.. for the simple fact that is their job.

Not really as much as the Teras Kasi are in charge of keeping the Jedi in check. I do believe BH should be second in the runnign for the profession that *should* be a good fight against the Jedi though.

Jabe

Heres the thing, its not a bounty hunters job to hunt anyone unless they have a contract on them. Jango wouldnt have hunted down mace unless he was paid to by dooku, bounty hunters live in a constant criminal envoirment and we dont get it in SWG, we want underground networks and no stupid ass terminals, I think terminals are the worse way to get a BH mark, instead of a terminal have it be an NPC. Back on topic, TK's yes are the jedi checkers but the problem is BH's are tired of Jedi hunts we want to hunt players, its really not that hard, they add two types of missions
1. Regular with same payout no risk
2. Advanced danger: Higher payout, and a chance of getting on the BH terms if you dont complete the mission.
3. Smuggler: Smug only, they are transport missions if they keep the goods, 24 hours after they take the mission if its not completed they are placed on the BH terminals for a certin amount, now yes the problem is Well what does the BH lose if he fails, he gets a chance on the terminals himself, if the smug fail he loses a certin amount of money and the item or itms he stole.

yes i know off topic but it would fix a bunch of problems in the bh galaxy