http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... a_sabre_dc
Like we needed any help from this guy.
Another black eye for the casual online gamer...
See now if the guy used his +6 magic armor protection spell and then countered with Holy Strike he would be fine but instead he fumbled and used Dark Aura instead. Its a classic case of misusing your defensive spells.
I jest but it really is a tragedy that someone was killed over something SO stupid. I love how the article makes every effort to relate this crime to a video game but the root of the crime is just plain greed and jealousy. Anti-video game enthusiasts love to read this kind of crap and slap the blame on violence in video games. How about we look at the whole picture folks and realize the real culprit is just human nature.
40 years ago this same crime could of been committed because the guy sold his friend's super smasher marble. Same shit, different day.
I jest but it really is a tragedy that someone was killed over something SO stupid. I love how the article makes every effort to relate this crime to a video game but the root of the crime is just plain greed and jealousy. Anti-video game enthusiasts love to read this kind of crap and slap the blame on violence in video games. How about we look at the whole picture folks and realize the real culprit is just human nature.
40 years ago this same crime could of been committed because the guy sold his friend's super smasher marble. Same shit, different day.
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Seret Sajet
- SWG Tales Founder
Crap, it's exactly reasons like this, that make my wife hate RPG. I hope she doesn't see that.
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Hashum
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The irony here is that the law just hasn't caught up to technology. The guy who got murdered stole and sold the sword for about $800 American.
He made real money for the theft and sale.
And yet when the victim (of the theft) went to the police, there was nothing they could do. THEN the guy went all billy and started pincushioning his now ex-friend. I'm not saying he was justified. Just pointing out this was preventable.
A few Asian countries are starting to pass laws to protect virtual property (on behalf of the players). A similar case happened in Japan where someone stole and sold all of a player's assets. The police were able to use a law (I can't remember which one, sorry) to bust the perp. After all, you can't steal the software, so why should you be allowed to steal the sword, which is part of said software?
He made real money for the theft and sale.
And yet when the victim (of the theft) went to the police, there was nothing they could do. THEN the guy went all billy and started pincushioning his now ex-friend. I'm not saying he was justified. Just pointing out this was preventable.
A few Asian countries are starting to pass laws to protect virtual property (on behalf of the players). A similar case happened in Japan where someone stole and sold all of a player's assets. The police were able to use a law (I can't remember which one, sorry) to bust the perp. After all, you can't steal the software, so why should you be allowed to steal the sword, which is part of said software?
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X'an Shin
- SWG Tales Founder
Dang.. I better pay that guy the 10 gold I owe him in WoW. I borrowed 25 so I could afford a mount, only paid back 15 so far.
*looks out window nervously*
*looks out window nervously*
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Ekade
- The Kika'Vati Order
Actually, the guy who "stole" the sword and sold it had to be breaking some kind of user license. I can't imagine that any company would not ban the sale of "virtual property" in their game for real monetary gain to an individual. I kind of see it as burning a cd and selling the copy for cash. Neither the guy who stole it nor the guy who it was stolen from had any basis to claim ownership of it, but the gaming company did.
Weird.
Weird.
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Krusshyk
- SWG Tales Founder
Not necessarily. Pacific Rim games (like the one they were playing) have different EULAs. There's some game out there where a guy literally sold an island he claimed/built/whatever for $25,000 on Ebay. The guy who bought it was going to no doubt "virtually develop" it with real-estate etc. for a profit.Del'tar Chagas wrote:Actually, the guy who "stole" the sword and sold it had to be breaking some kind of user license. I can't imagine that any company would not ban the sale of "virtual property" in their game for real monetary gain to an individual. I kind of see it as burning a cd and selling the copy for cash. Neither the guy who stole it nor the guy who it was stolen from had any basis to claim ownership of it, but the gaming company did.
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X'an Shin
- SWG Tales Founder
Xas won't hurt you, I hope. He does like his gold though.Ekade wrote:Dang.. I better pay that guy the 10 gold I owe him in WoW. I borrowed 25 so I could afford a mount, only paid back 15 so far.
*looks out window nervously*
And this has to be one of the more retarded things I have ever heard of. Its a F'n game people. Jeez. I started off laughing about it and then it became more of a shake my head at the stupidity of it all.
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When they said "cyber-saber" I thought the guy got busted doing something else...
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This story is always a sad one to hear. There were stories just like this when the Dungeons and Dragons craze started as well. I for one am 'really' into my RP characters... but there is a difference between Fantasy and Reality. And people like to blame a game rather than the real cause of the crimes.
Ironically, the victim was also at fault because most games (just like Star Wars) have a clear rule about selling in game items and money. It's suppose to be illegal! Everything is owned by the Game Company. However, We look at Ebay and other sites and see items sold everyday.
Ironically, the victim was also at fault because most games (just like Star Wars) have a clear rule about selling in game items and money. It's suppose to be illegal! Everything is owned by the Game Company. However, We look at Ebay and other sites and see items sold everyday.
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Sai'nu
- The Kika'Vati Order
The virtual property you see sold on Ebay always has a clever little disclaimer...
"This auction is for my own personal time spent gathering this <virtual property> in <insert MMORPG>"
So their loophole is to claim they are not seling virtual property (which in games like WoW and SWG states this cannot be done) but rather you are paying someone to spend their time playing a video game to collect the items or money for you.
Now when I look at that way I say "Yeah, you could say thats legal but I'll be damned if I'm going to pay someone to play a video game for me!"
But I think we're split on two topics here. One is the claim that video games are the cause of social decay and crime and the other regarding the sale of virtual property. Best we stick to one topic here and focus on crime and reason why here. If you'd like to start a new topic on Virtual Property by all means do so.
Back on topic...
When it comes to blame parents love to point the finger at someone else. They point it at teachers, music, movies, television and even video games because its just so much easier than blaming yourself. As a parent I know I am responsible for my child's well-being and development. If you don't talk to your kids and really stay on top of their lives you will most likely fail them as a parent.
It goes back to the kids who committed suicide after losing their Everquest characters to griefers. If ANY teenager commits suicide chances are he was already mentally disturbed and detached from anyone he/she felt he could turn to. I truely believe if the parents of these kids who took their lives were more active in their child's life and understood his interests and problems then death could have been avoided. Did the parents say "Shut up its just a video game go take out the trash" or did the take the time to understand his problem and explain how insignifant it is in the scheme of things? My guess is option A.
When it comes to the attack video games get in society I will be the first at the podium to speak on its behalf. I cannot stand when blame is pointed at innate material in society when it should be pointing right back at the complainer themselves.
Wake up people. Video games don't kill people.... psychos whose parents locked them in a closet while they went to sex parties do.
/rant off
/hands X'an back his crown
"This auction is for my own personal time spent gathering this <virtual property> in <insert MMORPG>"
So their loophole is to claim they are not seling virtual property (which in games like WoW and SWG states this cannot be done) but rather you are paying someone to spend their time playing a video game to collect the items or money for you.
Now when I look at that way I say "Yeah, you could say thats legal but I'll be damned if I'm going to pay someone to play a video game for me!"
But I think we're split on two topics here. One is the claim that video games are the cause of social decay and crime and the other regarding the sale of virtual property. Best we stick to one topic here and focus on crime and reason why here. If you'd like to start a new topic on Virtual Property by all means do so.
Back on topic...
When it comes to blame parents love to point the finger at someone else. They point it at teachers, music, movies, television and even video games because its just so much easier than blaming yourself. As a parent I know I am responsible for my child's well-being and development. If you don't talk to your kids and really stay on top of their lives you will most likely fail them as a parent.
It goes back to the kids who committed suicide after losing their Everquest characters to griefers. If ANY teenager commits suicide chances are he was already mentally disturbed and detached from anyone he/she felt he could turn to. I truely believe if the parents of these kids who took their lives were more active in their child's life and understood his interests and problems then death could have been avoided. Did the parents say "Shut up its just a video game go take out the trash" or did the take the time to understand his problem and explain how insignifant it is in the scheme of things? My guess is option A.
When it comes to the attack video games get in society I will be the first at the podium to speak on its behalf. I cannot stand when blame is pointed at innate material in society when it should be pointing right back at the complainer themselves.
Wake up people. Video games don't kill people.... psychos whose parents locked them in a closet while they went to sex parties do.
/rant off
/hands X'an back his crown
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Seret Sajet
- SWG Tales Founder
While on the surface this may look like someone taking their game overboard, some extra perspective may be given due to nature of friendly and romantic relationships between people of east Asian cultures.
Not long ago, I spent several years living and working among Japanese and Korean as part of my military duty. Just under that atmosphere you can learn much about their collective attitude and beyond work you see much more of the personal relationship dynamic.
To be considered someone's friend in this sort of culture is almost a sacred state of being which is humbling to many outside cultures. And romantic relationships can be even more profound. A friend will go a long way there to help you against the craziest of odds and personal hardship. If you take away the item in this story and the activity of playing online games, one thing remains. Betrayal.
Now most of us in the West, myself included, would be hurt from such an act by a so called friend, but wouldn't take it as far as the player did. In some cultures, however, whether is was an $870 virtual sword or something totally unrelated to a game, the real crime would be looked as betrayed trust.
Interpersonal honor and saving face are *huge* with these people. Betraying that in a blatant way, sometimes brings huge repercussions.
Now, don't think that I'm trying to justify what the guy did. Also, I don't know either of those guys personally so I can't say how cool they were with each other. I'm saying that, from a few eye-opening personal experiences in that part of the world, there's more to be seen and said.
Friends arguing over a restaurant bill is not uncommon in our part of the world. And it isn't over there either. But what is different, is that they're not arguing over who has to pay, but who should have the honor of paying for the group. Nobody wants to be the one who didn't help their friend enjoy a meal.
Heated arguments the same as over here, but with the opposite cause! I've seen it and the recalled scene still amazes me.
Not long ago, I spent several years living and working among Japanese and Korean as part of my military duty. Just under that atmosphere you can learn much about their collective attitude and beyond work you see much more of the personal relationship dynamic.
To be considered someone's friend in this sort of culture is almost a sacred state of being which is humbling to many outside cultures. And romantic relationships can be even more profound. A friend will go a long way there to help you against the craziest of odds and personal hardship. If you take away the item in this story and the activity of playing online games, one thing remains. Betrayal.
Now most of us in the West, myself included, would be hurt from such an act by a so called friend, but wouldn't take it as far as the player did. In some cultures, however, whether is was an $870 virtual sword or something totally unrelated to a game, the real crime would be looked as betrayed trust.
Interpersonal honor and saving face are *huge* with these people. Betraying that in a blatant way, sometimes brings huge repercussions.
Now, don't think that I'm trying to justify what the guy did. Also, I don't know either of those guys personally so I can't say how cool they were with each other. I'm saying that, from a few eye-opening personal experiences in that part of the world, there's more to be seen and said.
Friends arguing over a restaurant bill is not uncommon in our part of the world. And it isn't over there either. But what is different, is that they're not arguing over who has to pay, but who should have the honor of paying for the group. Nobody wants to be the one who didn't help their friend enjoy a meal.
Heated arguments the same as over here, but with the opposite cause! I've seen it and the recalled scene still amazes me.
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nerdy fucks! honestly....who would kill over a krayt de-10 pistol or maybe a nightsister t21 with max 3k damage and DOT.....I sure the hell wouldnt. people these days!
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