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[Illbleed]

Who will win the Star Wars ultimate battle?

http://comics.ign.com/articles/609/609778p1.html

[Hashum]

Great idea, I just wish they had been more creative and picked better Jedi. Granted at least the top 4 of both brackets seem like pretty safe bets to be included their bottom 4 could have used work in all cases in my opinion. What about Kyp, or Anakin Solo? I mean really Leia?

It also made me wonder about Luke being ranked with the 2nd seed. I've always wondered about his power compared to the Jedi of old. I guess I just would have though Mace and Obi-Wan would have ranked above him, I just remember in one book Luke was unable to move an AT-ST using the Force, now maybe that's a huge feat but I'd have though if Yoda could do it with an X-Wing...

Anyway I look forward to watching this unfold it will be a good pump for RotS.

[Krusshyk]

Personally, if Vader doesn't win, I will be sorely disappointed in humanity.

He is Darth F-ing Vader. Smiter of all jedi. You know...THAT Darth Vader.

Luke getting second seed is appropriate due to the fact that he made old Daddy Vader a gimp.

[Ekade]

Luke never came across to me as all that powerful. I think Vader threw the match in Father versus Son part deux.

[X'an Shin]

I think you guys are confusing how contests like this are seeded.

Look at how the NCAA March Madness tourney is seeded. It's the exact same (I think, I don't follow it too closely).

You never want your #1 seed playing against your #2 or #3 seed until the semi-final or final round. It's just bad sportsmanship. You WANT the top four seeds to win their way to the final round. It's just how it's done.

[X'an Shin]

Luke never came across to me as all that powerful. I think Vader threw the match in Father versus Son part deux.

Edited to say that I didn't mean this to come off sounding as rude as it did:

I thought it was obvious that Luke was forced to tap into some Dark Side rage in order to best his Father. Hence, the whole part about the Emporer laughing and being excited at how Luke raged against Darth Dad, and then the part where Luke looks at his robo-stump of a hand and the one he just hacked off of his father (read: literary device), Luke throwing away his lightsaber in disgust, and coming back to reality.

In the end, after Vader and Yoda are dead, he's still the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy, due to lack of competition, and starts the Jedi Academy. He's earned the seed, I'd say.

[Skorixor]

IMO Windu should be ranked higher than 4th on his side...

he was known as one of the greatest lightsaber users, and this is a lightsaber fight...

he is one of the few to use lightsaber form VII, which treads on using the dark side of the force

he was only beaten in a duel twice...once by yoda, once by dooku (although we don't know how he bites it in Ep 3, so maybe add one more)

[Hashum]

I think you guys are confusing how contests like this are seeded.

Look at how the NCAA March Madness tourney is seeded. It's the exact same (I think, I don't follow it too closely).

You never want your #1 seed playing against your #2 or #3 seed until the semi-final or final round. It's just bad sportsmanship. You WANT the top four seeds to win their way to the final round. It's just how it's done.

No I understand that, and even agree. I do think he deserves a top 4 spot I'm just saying I'm not sure he should represent the second strongest Jedi ever which is basically what they're saying.

However as time has progressed I've come to appreciate Luke's power more. The new scenes in the DVD Trilogy helped that by extending the Holo Communication between Vader and the Emperor and making Luke seem like more of a threat. And if he was a threat to Vader and the Emperor then he had to be pretty bad.

I just always get back to Yoda could do so much more then Luke, and maybe Luke had the power but less faith in his power, or just didn't have the knowledge because so much of the Jedi records were destroyed but he just seemed weak in comparison to Old Knights. Even in the books I've ready it seems like he always gets pwned. Exar takes him out, he couldn't beat the Emperor nothing, the only thing he has going for him is he beat up his old decrepid father and started a new academy. And even then it seemed like Kyp was stronger with the force then even Luke maybe that changes in later books I've not ready but up until Dalaa attacks Yavin that seems to be the case.[/quote]

[Keer]

Obviously these results are skewed if there's no mention of midi-chlorian gods such as Cappen Poncho and Spuds Mckenzie.

Hell-ooo...

[Jaminos]

I myself want to see Vader Vs. Mara Skywalker

[Dwilah]

This brings back some thoughts I was having the other day. We see all this crazy choreography of swordsplay in the first two episodes (and I know it'll be there in the third) but we don't really see it in 4-6.

When you think about it, it makes sense.

Yoda: really really damn old
Vader: old and half machine (people with fake hips limp even after great rehab, Vader's going to be a little stiff even with the best medical technology)
Obi-Wan: old and fat

And they're all pretty damn rusty and out of shape, I bet. When you go into hiding I bet they weren't getting a lot of sword practice in. Vader was at the top and there was nobody left who could challenge him.

Now here comes Luke, who is a wee lad. He gets very very basic training. The Force is real damn strong with him so even though he doesn't have a lot of skill, the Force is helping him fight the old man. Haha...old man. Get it? Cuz he's old...but he's also his dad......yeeeaaaah.....

[Ekade]

Luke never came across to me as all that powerful. I think Vader threw the match in Father versus Son part deux.

Edited to say that I didn't mean this to come off sounding as rude as it did:

I thought it was obvious that Luke was forced to tap into some Dark Side rage in order to best his Father. Hence, the whole part about the Emporer laughing and being excited at how Luke raged against Darth Dad, and then the part where Luke looks at his robo-stump of a hand and the one he just hacked off of his father (read: literary device), Luke throwing away his lightsaber in disgust, and coming back to reality.

In the end, after Vader and Yoda are dead, he's still the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy, due to lack of competition, and starts the Jedi Academy. He's earned the seed, I'd say.

Yeah, it was obvious. But then.. why could not Vader tap into the Dark Side rage? I figure with Vader's experience with the Dark Side of the force, he'd easily outmatch young Luke.

I'm still inclined to think something in Vader changed during that fight. A switch was flipped. He could not kill his own son and he knew it. That moment was his salvation from the dark side, as it were.

In the end, that lightsaber duel was not about who was the better fighter.

Hence my statement, "Vader threw the match". Hopefully my reasons for thinking that are clearer now.

[X'an Shin]

This brings back some thoughts I was having the other day. We see all this crazy choreography of swordsplay in the first two episodes (and I know it'll be there in the third) but we don't really see it in 4-6.

When you think about it, it makes sense.

Yoda: really really damn old
Vader: old and half machine (people with fake hips limp even after great rehab, Vader's going to be a little stiff even with the best medical technology)
Obi-Wan: old and fat

And they're all pretty damn rusty and out of shape, I bet. When you go into hiding I bet they weren't getting a lot of sword practice in. Vader was at the top and there was nobody left who could challenge him.

Now here comes Luke, who is a wee lad. He gets very very basic training. The Force is real damn strong with him so even though he doesn't have a lot of skill, the Force is helping him fight the old man. Haha...old man. Get it? Cuz he's old...but he's also his dad......yeeeaaaah.....

It does make a bit of sense.

Although as a practitioner of the fencing arts, I have to say that the Obi-Wan/Vader duel is actually the most realistic of all of the lightsaber battles. A lot of decent tight dueling going on there.

While I still love the new fight choreography, nothing's as powerful emotionally as the Luke vs. Dad II fight for me. I'm hoping the Obi-Wan vs. Vader Zero fight matches it for emotional energy.

[X'an Shin]

Luke never came across to me as all that powerful. I think Vader threw the match in Father versus Son part deux.

Edited to say that I didn't mean this to come off sounding as rude as it did:

I thought it was obvious that Luke was forced to tap into some Dark Side rage in order to best his Father. Hence, the whole part about the Emporer laughing and being excited at how Luke raged against Darth Dad, and then the part where Luke looks at his robo-stump of a hand and the one he just hacked off of his father (read: literary device), Luke throwing away his lightsaber in disgust, and coming back to reality.

In the end, after Vader and Yoda are dead, he's still the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy, due to lack of competition, and starts the Jedi Academy. He's earned the seed, I'd say.

Yeah, it was obvious. But then.. why could not Vader tap into the Dark Side rage? I figure with Vader's experience with the Dark Side of the force, he'd easily outmatch young Luke.

I'm still inclined to think something in Vader changed during that fight. A switch was flipped. He could not kill his own son and he knew it. That moment was his salvation from the dark side, as it were.

In the end, that lightsaber duel was not about who was the better fighter.

Hence my statement, "Vader threw the match". Hopefully my reasons for thinking that are clearer now.

Oh, totally. I have to agree that I got that vibe that Vader couldn't bring himself to kill Luke, and eventually began to merely defend himself.

[Hashum]

Luke never came across to me as all that powerful. I think Vader threw the match in Father versus Son part deux.

Edited to say that I didn't mean this to come off sounding as rude as it did:

I thought it was obvious that Luke was forced to tap into some Dark Side rage in order to best his Father. Hence, the whole part about the Emporer laughing and being excited at how Luke raged against Darth Dad, and then the part where Luke looks at his robo-stump of a hand and the one he just hacked off of his father (read: literary device), Luke throwing away his lightsaber in disgust, and coming back to reality.

In the end, after Vader and Yoda are dead, he's still the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy, due to lack of competition, and starts the Jedi Academy. He's earned the seed, I'd say.

Yeah, it was obvious. But then.. why could not Vader tap into the Dark Side rage? I figure with Vader's experience with the Dark Side of the force, he'd easily outmatch young Luke.

I'm still inclined to think something in Vader changed during that fight. A switch was flipped. He could not kill his own son and he knew it. That moment was his salvation from the dark side, as it were.

In the end, that lightsaber duel was not about who was the better fighter.

Hence my statement, "Vader threw the match". Hopefully my reasons for thinking that are clearer now.

I completely agree, with throwing the match. As soon as Vader found out Luke was his son those old emotions started to kick in, his love for Padame had to carry over to some degree to Luke.

And during the fight Luke was able to tap into a little dark side for obvious reasons (Leia) while Vader couldn't increase his power with rage or anger because he loved his son. That coupled with his age and the conflict within him caused him to throw the match. And then save his beloved son.

That fight is what makes #6 my second favorite star wars movie to this point. Behind #5 of course.