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Now that they're "all done" (so far?) it's better possible to take a look at The Force as portrayed in all six films. In particular for me, I've always been baffled at what I'm now calling:

the Labor Union rules for Midiclorian Galactic Union #3.14159:

A. If Force User has to lift an X-Wing out of the swamp, we'll help out with that, no problem..

...but if you want to Force Push little vulture bots off of your craft in space, sorry you gets naythin but aggravation. Force User will have to have his wingman shoot them off with blasters, scrape them off with his ship, or coach your R2 unit to cobra/mongoose with them.

B. If Force User needs to push, throw, or levitate objects, people, enemies across the room, we'll help out with that no problem...

...but if you're falling and need to stop your body's terminal velocity, you're on your own. Sorry, the Midichlorian local has strict rules about you falling...hard...on the ground. Hey, we're trapped inside your body until you die/fade away. We need a good laugh from time to time.

One of the things that I was holding out a longshot hope for in Episode 3 movie was more exposition on the nature of the Force similar to Yoda's in Episode 5. I admit, I wasn't expecting it to happen, but even a helpful hint towards some of these Force inconsistencies would have been nice.

But, came up dry there so I'm going with the Midichlorian Labor Union. Despite all sense, there are some things I guess they just won't do even though they're already doing them in a different form somewhere else. That, and they are really sick little creatures, that need a laugh when some uber Jedi holds out the Wil E. Coyote sign and falls on his ass.

I can just hear R2 out on the hull beeping "F-o-r-c-e P-u-s-h, you dumb son of a bitch!"

And the midichlorian response: NO LEVITATION FOR YOU! :lol:

What do you think? What's up with The Cosmic Force? All SWG Jedi jokes aside, I'm not saying Jedi have to fly, but what's up with The Fickle Force?

Keer wrote:Now that they're "all done" (so far?) it's better possible to take a look at The Force as portrayed in all six films. In particular for me, I've always been baffled at what I'm now calling:

the Labor Union rules for Midiclorian Galactic Union #3.14159:

A. If Force User has to lift an X-Wing out of the swamp, we'll help out with that, no problem..

...but if you want to Force Push little vulture bots off of your craft in space, sorry you gets naythin but aggravation. Force User will have to have his wingman shoot them off with blasters, scrape them off with his ship, or coach your R2 unit to cobra/mongoose with them.

B. If Force User needs to push, throw, or levitate objects, people, enemies across the room, we'll help out with that no problem...

...but if you're falling and need to stop your body's terminal velocity, you're on your own. Sorry, the Midichlorian local has strict rules about you falling...hard...on the ground. Hey, we're trapped inside your body until you die/fade away. We need a good laugh from time to time.

One of the things that I was holding out a longshot hope for in Episode 3 movie was more exposition on the nature of the Force similar to Yoda's in Episode 5. I admit, I wasn't expecting it to happen, but even a helpful hint towards some of these Force inconsistencies would have been nice.

But, came up dry there so I'm going with the Midichlorian Labor Union. Despite all sense, there are some things I guess they just won't do even though they're already doing them in a different form somewhere else. That, and they are really sick little creatures, that need a laugh when some uber Jedi holds out the Wil E. Coyote sign and falls on his ass.

I can just hear R2 out on the hull beeping "F-o-r-c-e P-u-s-h, you dumb son of a bitch!"

And the midichlorian response: NO LEVITATION FOR YOU! :lol:

What do you think? What's up with The Cosmic Force? All SWG Jedi jokes aside, I'm not saying Jedi have to fly, but what's up with The Fickle Force?

A. I haven't seen the movie but here are my thoughts, is it possible these Vulture bots were attaching themselves to the ship? I know in one of the clone wars cartoons grevious locks down with his nails and is able to stand against such a blast.

Secondly it's also possible that the Jedi were distracted in space and couldn't fully concentrate on the task of pushing the vultures off. After all, Yoda was in a swamp alone under no pressure when he moved the X-wing. Sort of a Robin Hood Prince of Theives Can you do it when it counts?

B. All the levitating and such are done for short periods of time, a push is a short blast, and most of the levitating I've seen (again haven't seen this film) was done when meditating. So it's possible that the Force can't be used for an extended period of time, such as during a fall, a short break in the decent might have been possible but with the velocity that they're falling there's probably very little that could have been done.

Anyway those are just my quick thoughts, please forgive my ignorance if some of these statements are contradicted in the new movie.

My take is that the midichlorians help a jedi manipulate the force and become in tune with it. The force lifts the ship and tosses droid generals 100 feet into the air, but the midichlorians give the user the ability to actually control the force in order to lift and toss. Now, when someone first tries to get "in tune" with the force, this is just a way of saying that they are learning how to communicate with the midichlorians so that they can manipulate the force to do what the jedi wants.

Confused? Let me use examples from the movie.

Luke can't lift the ship out of the swamp because he hasn't learned to communicate with the midichlorians well enough to get them working together to manipulate the force to lift the ship.

On the other hand, Vader is so well in-tune with his midichlorians that he's able to be percise enough to throw a switch to activate the carbon freeze chamber from across the room.

As for why you can't force push the vulture droids off your ship, I'd have to say it's probably because there was something between him and the droids (the cockpit glass). I've never seen anyone in the movies use the force to manipulate something that was in another room or that they could not see. I think that the force cannot pass trough inanimate objects and that the force push is literally pushing the force away from you in order to push an object...if he pushed, it would stop at the glass.

Zannon wrote:As for why you can't force push the vulture droids off your ship, I'd have to say it's probably because there was something between him and the droids (the cockpit glass). I've never seen anyone in the movies use the force to manipulate something that was in another room or that they could not see. I think that the force cannot pass trough inatimate objects and that the force push is literally pushing the force away from you in order to push an object...if he pushed, it would stop at the glass.

interesting, I can't think of any other instance either

also you can think of it this way, when they do a force push, you are pushing the atmosphere into the person, knocking them down...

and in space, there is no atmospehere to push...have we seen or read of any instance of a force push in space? I can't think of anything either

Zannon wrote:As for why you can't force push the vulture droids off your ship, I'd have to say it's probably because there was something between him and the droids (the cockpit glass). I've never seen anyone in the movies use the force to manipulate something that was in another room or that they could not see. I think that the force cannot pass trough inanimate objects and that the force push is literally pushing the force away from you in order to push an object...if he pushed, it would stop at the glass.

/Agree

I was going to say the same thing but wanted to finish reading. As far as levitation goes, yeah, it's weird, because they're obviously "throwing" themselves with force jumps, aiming themselves in mid-air, etc.

Skorixor wrote:also you can think of it this way, when they do a force push, you are pushing the atmosphere into the person, knocking them down...

and in space, there is no atmospehere to push...have we seen or read of any instance of a force push in space? I can't think of anything either

An even better point to make (on top of this) is that it isn't even atmosphere, that the Force = life. There isn't ANY life in space, at least not the vaccuum of space, so there's nothing to push. No life = no force energy to use. Sure, there's lots of clone soldiers around, but it's nothing compared to microbes in the air, grass, trees, etc.

Seems to me there is also an acclamation period for Jedi to get fully aware of the force around them as they go to new places. I can not remember the line in the movie, but I do believe Yoda or Obi-wan refers to this idea after going to the outer rim. If anyone can remember the line, I'd appreciate the backup.

Jabe

Crap, just to prove that it's all bad writing (as if we were unsure of it), I just realized that Old Ben feels "a great disturbance in the Force," IN SPACE.

Luke uses the Force to get the torpedo shot on the original Death Star, IN SPACE.

So yeah, I'm back to "it's just bad writing."

yeah but his feeling isn't a force push

and luke was using the force to aim correctly, not force push the torpedo in the hole

Skorixor wrote:yeah but his feeling isn't a force push

and luke was using the force to aim correctly, not force push the torpedo in the hole

The key here is "using the force," not how or what, but that there was Force to be used, in space.

Ergo, a Force Push would have been just as reasonable (as it is a "using the force" ability), in space.

I will now end every sentence with "in space."

X'an Shin wrote:

Skorixor wrote:yeah but his feeling isn't a force push

and luke was using the force to aim correctly, not force push the torpedo in the hole

The key here is "using the force," not how or what, but that there was Force to be used, in space.

Ergo, a Force Push would have been just as reasonable (as it is a "using the force" ability), in space.

I will now end every sentence with "in space."

ok, but wait...

when they were using the force, were they "in space" by themselves, or were they inside a ship with atmosphere, bacteria, microbes, life....that was in space...they could be drawing off of the life force inside the ship

Skorixor wrote:

X'an Shin wrote:

Skorixor wrote:yeah but his feeling isn't a force push

and luke was using the force to aim correctly, not force push the torpedo in the hole

The key here is "using the force," not how or what, but that there was Force to be used, in space.

Ergo, a Force Push would have been just as reasonable (as it is a "using the force" ability), in space.

I will now end every sentence with "in space."

ok, but wait...

when they were using the force, were they "in space" by themselves, or were they inside a ship with atmosphere, bacteria, microbes, life....that was in space...they could be drawing off of the life force inside the ship

Which gets right back to Keer's original point that they should have been able to execute the force push, so let's stop trying to justify crappy writing.

IN SPACE.

X'an Shin wrote:

Skorixor wrote:

X'an Shin wrote: The key here is "using the force," not how or what, but that there was Force to be used, in space.

Ergo, a Force Push would have been just as reasonable (as it is a "using the force" ability), in space.

I will now end every sentence with "in space."

ok, but wait...

when they were using the force, were they "in space" by themselves, or were they inside a ship with atmosphere, bacteria, microbes, life....that was in space...they could be drawing off of the life force inside the ship

Which gets right back to Keer's original point that they should have been able to execute the force push, so let's stop trying to justify crappy writing.

IN SPACE.

true, but the bots were IN SPACE, where's theres no life...if they were INSIDE the ship where there is life, they could be pushed

It's iffy, just as anything involving The Force, but I just go back to Obi-Wans's discussion in Ep 4. "An energy field that surrounds all living things" (which does give credence to the "no life" angle since he said "living things")

But then he also says that it "Binds the galaxy together." With that, I'm thinking that nothing is untouchable. But, since there is no movie evidence, we're left to assume that "in-space" Force usage can't be done for some reason. That reason being the mystery.

Or the Midichlorian Labor Union :lol:

And the second part of Jedi falling with no help from levitation *shrug*. They fall all the time in living atmosphere. And they hold objects, living and "dead" aloft for long periods of time (X-Wings, Anakin juggling a ball in Episode 2.) Another mystery.

Good grist for some future literary prodigy to gnaw on when the inevitable screenplay comes down the pike. Or it could be in the TV show script scribbles as we speak.

:hopes