Roba steps up security and privacy

[Viceroy Odantis]

In an effort to increase the "high class" setting of the roba...we will now have a doorman to greet the guests. Please don't be alarmed if you catch the roba in "private" mode with the red walls up...once a simple rp greeting at the door is done, you will be added to the entry-list and let in as normal..just kinda gives it that high class feel....of course greet the doorman with "sup dewd? rofl, wtf, are there jedi inside or sumthing?" and you may not see those red walls go down

peace, profit, power

Alonzo

[Rebecca]

Should possibly consider making this an Imp Event only...
Seeing how TTF is Imp now, with Imp overts guarding it.
Might be another way to make it feel more private and high class... and possibly bring a one-sided style RP to that night.
I can picture the wealthy imperials discussing slavery over a few goblets of brandy already.

[Viceroy Odantis]

actually i don't wanna exclude anyone in that sense...but a rebel should be wise enough to not go intoa crowded cantina and be like "FOR THE ALLIANCE" so of course ttf is gonna deal with ones that do to protect themselves from imperial investigation

[Rebecca]

Pffft.
As long as you lt a large scale unit of Elite Rebel Commandos, all of whom are roleplaying into the Cantina fully armed and ready to protect themselves... I have no issue.
Some people SHOULDN'T be openly defiant against the Empire. But I mean... With Warrbacca backing you, and a long history of "henious crimes against the empire." Would you behave?

[Seret Sajet]

Pffft.
As long as you lt a large scale unit of Elite Rebel Commandos, all of whom are roleplaying into the Cantina fully armed and ready to protect themselves... I have no issue.
Some people SHOULDN'T be openly defiant against the Empire. But I mean... With Warrbacca backing you, and a long history of "henious crimes against the empire." Would you behave?

I'm sorry Rebecca but this is an issue with Rebels that often bothers me. The Rebels, for lack of a better word in our day and age, are terrorists. They attack in short bursts and then flee into hiding. The movies showed just how secretive they were, hiding their Yavin and Hoth bases as best they could. This is how terrorists work, even the ones who have a just and noble cause.

The problem is we don't see that a lot with Rebel RP in the game. We see a lot of bravado and grandstanding. We see Rebels griefing Imperial officers just because they think they have to. Wiping out a few stormtroopers does not win the war. Walking into an Imperial occupied establishment and waving your Rebel badge around does your campaign no good.

I role-play Seret as a Rebel sympathizer. He doesn't fight their battles or hunt down Imperial squads (unless paid or prompted) but he does offer arms and aid to the rebels due to his sister's involvement. This makes him just as guilty to the Empire as any other Rebel. The other day I met a random RPer I never met before in Keren and we chatted it up a bit. He asked if I was a Rebel, which to me is a silly thing for a guy in full officer gear to ask, and I denied it up and down. I even went as far as to bash the Rebellion just to earn his trust. That is how I play Rebel, very very silently. In the end it was a very fun and interesting random RP encounter.

So my opinion is this. Yes, you would behave no matter what. If you wanted to be an effective Rebel then you would either muster every once of willpower you have and behave or simply refrain from attending such a place. Do the Rebellion some real good and blend into an Imperial establishment. You might learn something of use to your cause.

Just my 2 cents.

Back on topic: I like the idea Alonzo, adds a bit of that real exclusive club feel to your RP event.

[Viceroy Odantis]

this is one of my things with rebels...there is no real death so there is no real fear.

There's nothing to stop every rebel from slapping imps in the face and "standing up" to them...how courageous is it when there's nothing to lose? This is one of the reasons I went imp after being rebel since launch....i got tired of random rebs coming up to me and blowing my cover going "hey dude, you're reb too, why are you acting like that"

I don't care if i have 20 big wookiees with me...if there are imps around i mind myself because these are the people who took whole planets and no small force is gonna bring em down....i would wager it might take a full on attack of everything the rebels have, a couple schemes, and a jedi or two in the mix to bring it down....just a hunch



rebels fear the empire, they don't go spit in their eye every chance...you corner one imp in mos eisley away from his squad...sure...maybe....but in an imperial controlled facility with your name and such seen....let's say you kill the immediate imps..tough enough....but then what happens when they show up, murder you, all your loved ones, etc...oh...wait...they don't and that's why we have this issue

just keep in mind, in SW, the empire is feared...consider yourslef in the middle of (touchie reference i know but we all know its very similar) nazi germany and going up to a group of nazis, you don't go "screw hitler" and spit on them....don't care if you got 20 people with you....

[Ekade]

/agree Seret

Many people miss the point about the Empire. It is oppressive and it is everywhere. It's presence is even felt in the outer rim.

Living in this Galaxy is not like living in the United States. Think Soviet Russia. "I am a rebel and I am bad ass!" Say something like that and we'll see you 30 years later, assuming you surive life in the gulag (or whatever the imperial equivalent is.. maybe a "re-education" facility).

The Galaxy is ruled by fear. This is a dicatorship.

You will always see Ekade acting very respectful around roleplaying imperials, addressing them by their rank, etc.

[Isleh]

Except I would use the term Guerrillas rather than Terrorists to describe the Rebel forces.

My view is that Guerrillas still attack superior military forces although indirectly while Terrorists attack the citizens of the superior force. To me, there is a big moral difference.

[Seret Sajet]

Except I would use the term Guerrillas rather than Terrorists to describe the Rebel forces.

My view is that Guerrillas still attack superior military forces although indirectly while Terrorists attack the citizens of the superior force. To me, there is a big moral difference.

I'd tend to agree because society shows us Terrorists are evil and Guerrillas or Freedom Fighters are heroes. But it's all semantics.

But lets take a look at the definition of Terrorism. I'm not posting this to patronize you at all, but rather to take a different look at the word....

ter·ror·ism
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Morals and ideals really don't enter into the true nature of the word. In our world terrorists are ones who commit unspeakable acts of violence towards innocent people to undermine our government.

But look at the Rebellion. In this era the Empire IS the law. Anything the rebels do is considered unlawful. The rebels attack the people and property of the Empire with the intention of intimidating their forces and coercing the Empire back into the Republic rule.

So I guess its just a matter of perspective. To Imperials the Rebels are terrorists but to the people of the Old Republic they are freedom fighters.

I'm not arguing with you though. I agree, Rebels are freedom fighters because of their paramilitary status but I really find it interesting to look at the situation from a new perspective once and a while.

[Jabe Adaks]

To be honest, I like this idea for the Roba. Good call Alonzo.

Jabe

[Ekade]

ter·ror·ism
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

I don't feel that definition accurately describes the Rebellion.

The Rebellion is not trying to intimidate or coerce society. I feel the Rebellion is much like the people who fought in the American Revolution. They are not saying, "We are going to scare you into changing". They are saying, "Look, this Golliath is not as tough as he looks, watch me dot his eye. Have hope. We can be free."

The picture of "society" that I get when I look at Star Wars was that most people were not really in support of the Empire. They went along with the rules because they had to. Deep down they wanted a more democratic system like that which existed in the Old Republic.

The key words are "threaten" and "intimidate". The Empire used intimidation. The Rebellion did not.

[Ekade]

In an effort to increase the "high class" setting of the roba...we will now have a doorman to greet the guests. Please don't be alarmed if you catch the roba in "private" mode with the red walls up...once a simple rp greeting at the door is done, you will be added to the entry-list and let in as normal..just kinda gives it that high class feel....of course greet the doorman with "sup dewd? rofl, wtf, are there jedi inside or sumthing?" and you may not see those red walls go down

peace, profit, power

Alonzo

(( back on track... ))

I like that idea a lot!

Nothing beats a good immersive environment.

The early days of the Roba did have a very immersive feel. Now that I think about it, we had great immersion during the early S&V nights. Opening night of the Casino was one of the most immersive experiences I can remember.

The questions that come to mind are, "What did we do right?" and "What did we do wrong?"

I dunno, maybe it is the excitement of something new that makes people bring their A-game to events, and that is what adds to the immersion.

Deep down I still feel that when individual roleplayers go out of their way to make things happen.. those are the times when people really get into it. Roleplayers feed off of eachother.

[acantho]

Well as owner of the Roba, maybe you should consult me before announcing such things

I guess I'm alright with this but I'm not sure it's a good thing.

[Isleh]

Except I would use the term Guerrillas rather than Terrorists to describe the Rebel forces.

My view is that Guerrillas still attack superior military forces although indirectly while Terrorists attack the citizens of the superior force. To me, there is a big moral difference.

I'd tend to agree because society shows us Terrorists are evil and Guerrillas or Freedom Fighters are heroes. But it's all semantics.

But lets take a look at the definition of Terrorism. I'm not posting this to patronize you at all, but rather to take a different look at the word....

ter·ror·ism
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Morals and ideals really don't enter into the true nature of the word. In our world terrorists are ones who commit unspeakable acts of violence towards innocent people to undermine our government.

But look at the Rebellion. In this era the Empire IS the law. Anything the rebels do is considered unlawful. The rebels attack the people and property of the Empire with the intention of intimidating their forces and coercing the Empire back into the Republic rule.

So I guess its just a matter of perspective. To Imperials the Rebels are terrorists but to the people of the Old Republic they are freedom fighters.

I'm not arguing with you though. I agree, Rebels are freedom fighters because of their paramilitary status but I really find it interesting to look at the situation from a new perspective once and a while.

Okay Randal/Sajet :P

Randal: Something just never sat right with me the second time they destroyed it. I could never put my finger on it-something just wasn't right.
Dante: And you figured it out?
Randal: Well, the thing is, the first Death Star was manned by the Imperial army-storm troopers, dignitaries- the only people onboard were Imperials.
Dante: Basically.
Randal: So when they blew it up, no prob. Evil is punished.
Dante: And the second time around...?
Randal: The second time around, it wasn't even finished yet. They were still under construction.
Dante: So?
Randal: A construction job of that magnitude would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers.
Dante: Not just Imperials, is what you're getting at.
Randal: Exactly. In order to get it built quickly and quietly they'd hire anybody who could do the job. Do you think the average storm trooper knows how to install a toilet main? All they know is killing and white uniforms.
Dante: All right, so even if independent contractors are working on the Death Star, why are you uneasy with its destruction?
Randal: All those innocent contractors hired to do a job were killed- casualties of a war they had nothing to do with. (notices Dante's confusion) All right, look-you're a roofer, and some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia-this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.

[Seret Sajet]

Ok Isleh, ya got me. You win. I give up.