SWG Tales

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If your as sick as me by this curve ball SOE is throwing at every one you can complain to the Better Business Bueral(sp?). It might not do anything but at least they'll read your complaint instead of deleting it and laughing like SOE.

It's kind of hard to believe anyone could have such delusions of grandeur.

I very highly doubt that anything will come of a bunch of whiney customers who complain to the BBB about "illeegal and deseptive practices."

A of all, I wouldn't take half of these weiners seriously, as most of them will probably be writing emails like, "Hay, U guys should seriuosly do something about SOE. They are teh suck. I got deceeved and I want my monies back."

Unfortunately they've got themselves covered with their little 'Your subject to us changing the game' clause we all agree to and accept when we log-in.

Pretty much they could decide we're all to play Jawas in pink bikinis tomorrow and, as paying customers, we're subject to that change wither we like it or not. We have the option to not pay for it, or pay for it, basically.

Krusshyk wrote:It's kind of hard to believe anyone could have such delusions of grandeur.

I very highly doubt that anything will come of a bunch of whiney customers who complain to the BBB about "illeegal and deseptive practices."

A of all, I wouldn't take half of these weiners seriously, as most of them will probably be writing emails like, "Hay, U guys should seriuosly do something about SOE. They are teh suck. I got deceeved and I want my monies back."

I agree. There is no legal discourse here. SOE did deliver the expansion pack that was promised and customers did pay knowingly for said expansions. SOE has the right to change gameplay at any time and you don't own any of the characters or items in game. With that being said, I do have to disagree with SOE's general business practices, the frequent lies and half truths(anyone remember the Smuggler Revamp?). Am I upset that SOE pulled the rug out from under us? Yes, I am very upset. Is there anything I can do about it?

No. I agreed to the terms of gameplay just like everyone else.

P.S I seriously doubt that the BBB will have any clout with Sony. Sony is a corporate, worldwide company. I doubt the BBB will have any dent in their stride.

The BBB can fine SOE if they find that their practices have been unethical. As for the legality one could argue that SOE has falsly advertised their game. Your lead to believe that the game is a Mutil Player Online Roleplaying Game then they change it to a FPS.

IagoBoom wrote:SWG isn't anything like an FPS, nor will it be. The best comparison I have is it will be Diablo-esque. You click-click-click to kill something. You don't aim and shoot. You can kill something from 3rd person with just your cursor.

The lawsuit between the BBB and SOE would last anywhere from a year to 10 years, and would not change what is occuring. SOE's covered in it's ULA and there is nothing illegal in what they are doing. There is no false advertising. They present changes, and we ASSUMED they were making progress in a certain direction. We forgot that we can't trust them.

Bait and switch isn't illegal or even frowned upon. Anyone that believed SOE was going to stick with the CU made a mistake (myself included) and the ONLY way to do anything to harm SOE is to shut down YOUR account, and sling some mud at them through other forums, word-of-mouth and anything else you can get your hands on.

The BBB will respond to each filed complaint with a similar repsonse to what SOE responds to CS tickets:

"Your complaint has been filed, and a representative will attend to your dilema as it's priority entails"

Which will be followed by:

"I'm very sorry, but your issue with your 1957 Studebaker has a statute of limitations, and we cannot help you."

(I don't expect much better CS from the BBB, and even if they handle complaints effectively, they have nothing to stand on.)

We''l have to agree to disagree then. By the most technical understanding of false advertising if it went from a Multi-Player Online Roleplaying Game (defined by stat midigation and free form playing including class progression) to a simple Multi-Player Online Freeform Game (defined by free form playing only), it would stil be false advertising because they advertised SWG as a Multi-Player Roleplaying Game. Any thing they change it to after the fact would constitue false advertising if the end product became any thing but what was originally advertised.

Jerrel wrote: We''l have to agree to disagree then. By the most technical understanding of false advertising if it went from a Multi-Player Online Roleplaying Game (defined by stat midigation and free form playing including class progression) to a simple Multi-Player Online Freeform Game (defined by free form playing only), it would stil be false advertising because they advertised SWG as a Multi-Player Roleplaying Game. Any thing they change it to after the fact would constitue false advertising if the end product became any thing but what was originally advertised.

how is it false advertising?

M = Massive (lots of ppl play it)
M = multiplayer (theres more than on person playing)
O= Online (cant play it offline)
RP = role playing (you play a role in the game ie:bh, jedi etc)
G= game (yup its a game)

I don't think it's fair to say the game is no longer a role playing game though. The mechanics have changed, yes. But it's still a role playing game.

I don't know if a role playing game has a legal definition. But if it does, I don't know that stat mitigation or a 30+ profession system has to be part of it.

Logically, all you need to play a role playing game is a role to play. We still have characters in a fantasy universe acting out fantastical adventures. I think it's still an RPG in every sense of the word. No less so than WoW where role play is almost impossible because of the shitty chat function.

I honestly think people are just spinning their wheels on this one. Instead of threatening to sue or go to the mighty Better Business Bureau, people need to just cancel their shit. THAT is how you will get back at them.

I don't, however, endorse cancelling your account just yet. Give the new system a chance at least. You might even like it. I am totally excited for the new changes to go live.

Well I cancelled for the time being. I'm good until Dec 5th tho so I'll get plenty of time to try it out before I make a final decision. Thus far some changes I like, many I don't. It's also aggravating not being able to get onto TC. I tried for like 20 minutes last night before I gave up and went to watch TV.

Frankly my beef is with the hole you get only one proffesion here. What I'm saying however is that a person could make a fessable (not nessisarily a right) argument that SOE has falsely advertised their game. I do think that someone who started playing the game is entitled to a certain exspectation that the core game play will remaine relativly the same (one could argue that it is realativly the same though I dont feel that ot be the case). They've changed the combat, they've errased the proffesions and inserted and new set of classes, which in turn will have an effect on the game economy and who knows what else.

Was just at my local game shop and looked at a SWG box (Total Experience) and it still says you can be a CH. I would think that SOE would pull all their old boxes or at least send out a sticker that says Hey we deleted a bunch of proffesions. Since they havn't there is one more item to lend credence to false advertisement.

Jerrel wrote:Was just at my local game shop and looked at a SWG box (Total Experience) and it still says you can be a CH. I would think that SOE would pull all their old boxes or at least send out a sticker that says Hey we deleted a bunch of proffesions. Since they havn't there is one more item to lend credence to false advertisement.

22nd a New Player Package is being released with the NGE in mind. I would imagine these are going to be pulled and the new package put out.

Sai'nu wrote:

Jerrel wrote:Was just at my local game shop and looked at a SWG box (Total Experience) and it still says you can be a CH. I would think that SOE would pull all their old boxes or at least send out a sticker that says Hey we deleted a bunch of proffesions. Since they havn't there is one more item to lend credence to false advertisement.

22nd a New Player Package is being released with the NGE in mind. I would imagine these are going to be pulled and the new package put out.

But they should have put a sticker on the old ones explaining the change. I have a couple friends who I havn't see in a month or so that went and bought a TE each to join the game then they come to find out about the changes and they dont like it. They've chanceled their accounts and now their out the money for the game. If they knew this was gona happen they said they wouldn't have bought it.