SWG Tales

Oh. My. God.

I'm Speachless...

Similar thing happenned with a lady a few months back. She hit a guy and drove home with his body stuck through her windshield. She just parked in her garage and went to bed.

Doctors said that the man lived for 3 hours after the crash and would've survived if she called 911 or drove to the hospital instead of home.

Drug tests later found Xstacy in her system.

Lok'i Vidaar wrote:Oh. My. God.

I'm Speachless...

I am not sure why, but your post is somewhat funny with your avatar next to it

lol yeah I can see that..

But it is crazy that people can get that drunk and drive... kill a freind or some otehr innocent person, not know it.. and make it home without dying themselfs... I mean.. it's just plain crazy..

Dewbacca wrote:

Lok'i Vidaar wrote:Oh. My. God.

I'm Speachless...

I am not sure why, but your post is somewhat funny with your avatar next to it

Yes!!! Lok'i's avatar is awesome. I crack up everytime I see it.

And yes, it does seem to add character to some of his posts.

Lok'i Vidaar wrote:lol yeah I can see that..

But it is crazy that people can get that drunk and drive... kill a freind or some otehr innocent person, not know it.. and make it home without dying themselfs... I mean.. it's just plain crazy..

It's the process of Unnatural Selection.

I think you're on to something here.. keer... hehe... ok folks I'm tired...

Here's another one that had me sideways.

http://capwiz.com/usatoday/bio/userlett ... _dir=msnbc

Free Breast Implants to military recruits?! When troops in combat have to pay out of pocket for the best gear and you name whatever else we could use money for nowadays, this passed approval?

Holy what the F*ck!!

Keer wrote:Here's another one that had me sideways.

http://capwiz.com/usatoday/bio/userlett ... _dir=msnbc

Free Breast Implants to military recruits?! When troops in combat have to pay out of pocket for the best gear and you name whatever else we could use money for nowadays, this passed approval?

Yeah, and I'll tell you why.

It's because the military sees saving lives as more important than preventing casualties. That mindset is gradually shifting to "keep him from being wounded" but it's going to take some more time and cost-effective equipment (look at how much more improved we are in this mindset from say Vietnam and then WWII before that). However, that said, the idea that isn't even remotely conveyed in this letter, nor linked to in the response, is that breast implants, face lifts, and tummy tucks (the three plastic surgeries offered free by the military) serve two important purposes:

1). An enticement for new voluntary recruits for our all-volunteer military.
2). A way for young military field surgeons to learn how to properly cut into live, breathing human bodies.

I'm not kidding here. This is a "win-win" military solution that gets two birds at one time. I'm not saying it's the best idea they've had. I sure as shit wouldn't let some young scrub in the military cut me open if I wasn't already en route to the hospital in order to save my life, but that's the reason it's happening.

In the end, not having to pay people to be guinnea pigs is a much, much more cost effective appropriation of funds to train surgeons and not have them lose lives due to inexperience than spending that money on lightbulbs for soldiers who should probably be sleeping when it's dark anyways.

It was an uneducated and unread inflammatory letter and response, at best.

X'an Shin wrote:

Keer wrote:Here's another one that had me sideways.

http://capwiz.com/usatoday/bio/userlett ... _dir=msnbc

Free Breast Implants to military recruits?! When troops in combat have to pay out of pocket for the best gear and you name whatever else we could use money for nowadays, this passed approval?

Yeah, and I'll tell you why.

It's because the military sees saving lives as more important than preventing casualties. That mindset is gradually shifting to "keep him from being wounded" but it's going to take some more time and cost-effective equipment (look at how much more improved we are in this mindset from say Vietnam and then WWII before that). However, that said, the idea that isn't even remotely conveyed in this letter, nor linked to in the response, is that breast implants, face lifts, and tummy tucks (the three plastic surgeries offered free by the military) serve two important purposes:

1). An enticement for new voluntary recruits for our all-volunteer military.
2). A way for young military field surgeons to learn how to properly cut into live, breathing human bodies.

I'm not kidding here. This is a "win-win" military solution that gets two birds at one time. I'm not saying it's the best idea they've had. I sure as shit wouldn't let some young scrub in the military cut me open if I wasn't already en route to the hospital in order to save my life, but that's the reason it's happening.

In the end, not having to pay people to be guinnea pigs is a much, much more cost effective appropriation of funds to train surgeons and not have them lose lives due to inexperience than spending that money on lightbulbs for soldiers who should probably be sleeping when it's dark anyways.

It was an uneducated and unread inflammatory letter and response, at best.

Whoa, nah, no way. First, it's not just a letter. It's being echoed from Congress to the taxpayers to the guys out on the field. And they've all got it right.

- if it was about "keeping people from being wounded" or saving them after they've already been wounded the Pentagon would make sure that the nieces and nephews of Uncle Sam would NOT have to purchase out of their own pocket gear that they should already have to survive. I'm not kidding either, everything from gloves and boots to extreme weather gear and telescopic sights are being SOLD to the troops as war-fighting options when the Pentagon knows damned well that equipment is mission essential.

- How about saving the lives and treating the casualties of the Veterans who've already lived up to their part of the volunteer deal? Try going into some VA hospital with that argument, man! Tell them that military funds can't pay for their Chemical/Biological Warfare treatments but they can pay for a some vanity makeover. You better bring another army with you. Parapalegics would find a way to get off in you.

- "Enticement for new recruits" - this isn't a recruiting problem, it's a "we've spread ourselves too thinly" problem. We have to learn how to deploy wisely. Foreign policy has us signing manpower checks that we can't cash even in a low civilian employment market. Why? Because even after 9/11 the prospective recruits smell something shady with the current foreign policy. And those are the types that you want fighting for you on a battlefield, if at all. People with some willpower and integrity. Not someone who's mind changed when they heard "free colagen lip implants." OMG, I feel bad for the Basic Training instructors who'll have to deal with those types.

- "way for young surgeons to cut into living bodies"? - There are thousands of people who need surgery every year that can't pay for it. And they just go without it. Half of a look at that market would keep a young surgeon's eyeballs and scalpel flipping daily.

As far as field surgeons! I bet these plastic surgeries don't get performed in foxholes with live fire going off, just for practice. Come on!

Just because these are the "reasons that it's happenning" doesn't mean that you do it. There aren't "win-winning" jack, really.

And the rotten cherry on top:

"Lightbulbs For Soldiers Who Should Be in Bed Anyway"??!!

- buddy, I'm an Active Duty veteran!!! You're talking about a 24 hour operation. This ain't Hogan's Heroes! Just taking that news letter as an example, the things that a soldier, sailor, or airman has to accomplish after sunset are just as vital as what they do during the day.

We don't have the luxury of enemies, fires, or other emergencies that attack us only during the daylight.

Even on US soil there are still troops who WISH their duty called for only staying awake during daylight.

X'an, correct me if I'm wrong but you've never served a military day, have you? It's cool. I'm not saying that anyone would have to to have an opinion. The fact that you haven't is why I'm cracking up right now instead of being mad. It's the guys in DoD that I'm mad at. They should know better.

You've always been a civilian and don't necessarily have to know better.

That fact is a sign that you've been kept safer than most civilians on the planet, a mission that the troops had to accomplsh, whether it was day or night

NO hard feelings. And I'm not trying to stir any storms but ask those of us who are serving right now what they think. Maybe they could educate us both (?). Nyase? Tramel? Arifo?

Not reading through all of this but getting enough of where its going let me say this...

There should at no time be a surgery performed by a military doctor on a soldier or family member that is not medically necessary. The Army (in my case) is not a fashion club. When you get down to why we are here it boils down to 2 things. We kill people and break things. We are not trained to do anything else. And cosmetic surgery should not even be a thought in your mind if you are a soldier.

What they should spend money on is bullets so we don't have to qualify with a damn .22 adapter in our F'n rifles and sidearms. How about sending people to training to learn how to treat injuries on the battlefield, as I did this past weekend.

You have no idea how far in the rear the "field hospitals" are on a modern battlefield. This isn't the korean war. Throw your visions of Alan Alda in MASH out the window. In the modern battlefield you have a combat lifesaver as your first contact person. S/he has to stabalize and transport the patient to the combat medic, who can be up to 1 KM away. Then from there the CM has to get the evac to the rear hospital if necessary. that is either by truck or by helicopter. Oh and if you want a helo extraction you have to wait until they have gunship support before they will send a medevac. By the time the injured soldier reaches the hospial they are either stabilized or dead. Thats the reality.

Your field surgeon is going to have some emergency cases but if the CLS and CM didn't do there job then there won't be any work for the doctor. If the military was really concerned about the troops the emphasis would be on first responder training, not surgeon training.

And this is all in my humble opinion and does not necessarily represent the views of the government of the United States of America or any agency affiliated with that government.

Hey, military guys, go back and re-read my post before you flame me.

I AGREED WITH YOU.

As far as disagreeing with my points (which are the same points the army is towing, btw), tell me then why they're doing it in the first place?

Because they want soldiers with bigger tits? Because they want soldiers with prettier faces?

Come on guys, get past the rage of having to buy your own ammo (which I whole-heartedly agree with sucks donkey balls) and tell me the REAL REASON why it's being done. Don't side-track this issue with the very real needs that you have on the battlefield like having to buy your own vests and Hummers that aren't armored. I don't disagree with anything that you're saying, but you're dodging this issue.

Keep it on THIS SUBJECT. Why then, are they asking people to come and sign up for free boob jobs and facelifts if it isn't about recruiting and getting surgical experience?

X'an Shin wrote:
Keep it on THIS SUBJECT. Why then, are they asking people to come and sign up for free boob jobs and facelifts if it isn't about recruiting and getting surgical experience?

Not flaming you, and we we're keeping it on subject. I KNOW that that's what DoD sees as an "good idea" to increase recruitment and get training.

And if you think that it's a "win-win" situation then no, you're not agreeing with me. Don't know about anybody else.

And I stated that just because that's their reasons that doesn't mean they are valid or practical ones. I gave ideas that invalidated the training platform and gave an alternative to the recruitment problem.

Still, your comment about the troops needing lightbulbs and should be sleeping was wayyy out of line and uninformed. Was that on THIS SUBJECT as well?