AMD sue's Intel for in anti-trust litigation.

[Novall]

http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34191

Its in the news on one of my tech boards.

[Seret Sajet]

Bartering exclusive deals for your processor is one thing but threatening computer manufacters if they use AMD is just plain MEAN.

I mean stuff like this....

"When AMD succeeded in getting on the HP retail roadmap for mobile computers, and its products sold well, Intel responded by withholding HP's fourth quarter 2004 rebate check and refusing to waive HP's failure to achieve its targeted rebate goal; it allowed HP to make up the shortfall in succeeding quarters by promising Intel at least 90% of HP's mainstream retail business."

...is just sick!

So much for healthy competition.

Makes me glad I've always been an AMD fan.

[Kyanus]

Makes me glad I've always been an AMD fan.

I never know what to think about AMD. I've always been a fan of their products, but I've never had an AMD chip that didn't die in some fashion within about a month. On the other side, I've never had anything but good dealings with Intel chips, even though their business practices leaves me a bit upset.

[Krusshyk]

"When AMD succeeded in getting on the HP retail roadmap for mobile computers, and its products sold well, Intel responded by withholding HP's fourth quarter 2004 rebate check and refusing to waive HP's failure to achieve its targeted rebate goal; it allowed HP to make up the shortfall in succeeding quarters by promising Intel at least 90% of HP's mainstream retail business."

soooo....Intel decided to not give them a free pass on not reaching a targeted sales mark and it makes them evil? While Intel's motives are clear, it is not unreasonable that they did what they did.

I agree to offer you 500 bucks back if you can sell 10,000 dollars of product and you don't hit 10,000...possibly because you sold a competing product and I am the one in the wrong? I tell you this much...I wouldn't waive it either. It would be a pretty poor business decision. And don't tell me that AMD wouldn't have done the same thing if they could. They are out to make money, same as everybody else. Too bad Intel got the market first.

[Seret Sajet]

"When AMD succeeded in getting on the HP retail roadmap for mobile computers, and its products sold well, Intel responded by withholding HP's fourth quarter 2004 rebate check and refusing to waive HP's failure to achieve its targeted rebate goal; it allowed HP to make up the shortfall in succeeding quarters by promising Intel at least 90% of HP's mainstream retail business."

soooo....Intel decided to not give them a free pass on not reaching a targeted sales mark and it makes them evil? While Intel's motives are clear, it is not unreasonable that they did what they did.

I agree to offer you 500 bucks back if you can sell 10,000 dollars of product and you don't hit 10,000...possibly because you sold a competing product and I am the one in the wrong? I tell you this much...I wouldn't waive it either. It would be a pretty poor business decision. And don't tell me that AMD wouldn't have done the same thing if they could. They are out to make money, same as everybody else. Too bad Intel got the market first.

No, its not that withheld incentive for failure to make a goal, its the fact that they offered them a break in exchange for ditching AMD. Its one thing to campaign to sell your product and make money, its entirely another to strongarm your competetor out of business.

[Seret Sajet]

Makes me glad I've always been an AMD fan.

I never know what to think about AMD. I've always been a fan of their products, but I've never had an AMD chip that didn't die in some fashion within about a month. On the other side, I've never had anything but good dealings with Intel chips, even though their business practices leaves me a bit upset.

I've never heard of anyone having an AMD chip that broke down within a month but thats not to say it never happens. I have personally used AMD processors for years now without a single problem. Many others I know use AMD as well without fail.

But there's no point in arguing this. Everyone has their prefrences. I've never disliked Intell (until now) I've just stuck with the processors that have always worked for me.

[Novall]

I would use AMD if the could milti-task efficently.

Thats the main problem with AMD.

[Zannon]

I would use AMD if the could milti-task efficently.

Thats the main problem with AMD.

And you better have a few extra fans in there because their chips run hot and are really sensitive to heat (not a good combo).

[Novall]

I would use AMD if the could milti-task efficently.

Thats the main problem with AMD.

And you better have a few extra fans in there because their chips run hot and are really sensitive to heat (not a good combo).

Actyually, the AMD heat threshold can be a much as 20 degrees higher then the intel. To me Intel are way more heat sensative then AMD, but thats because of the bus speeds. AMD has a smaller bus speed but a larger pipeline, so both brands of chips are pretty much the same speed.

[Seret Sajet]

I would use AMD if the could milti-task efficently.

Thats the main problem with AMD.

And you better have a few extra fans in there because their chips run hot and are really sensitive to heat (not a good combo).

Actyually, the AMD heat threshold can be a much as 20 degrees higher then the intel. To me Intel are way more heat sensative then AMD, but thats because of the bus speeds. AMD has a smaller bus speed but a larger pipeline, so both brands of chips are pretty much the same speed.

Make no mistake, Dooo will set one on fire regardless. He's got mad skillz like that.

[MrDooo]

Shuddup. I've only burnt 2 chips.

I like AMD. They're the underdog. And the chips I burned are my own fault, not the brand's.

[Skorixor]

Shuddup. I've only burnt 2 chips.

I like AMD. They're the underdog. And the chips I burned are my own fault, not the brand's.

maybe you just need more fans????

[E-bo Obi]

I have ever had a problem with AMD processors. Until recently they are all I have used. I only got Intel chips in a few machines that I did not build and I am not really disappointed with them either. To me the AMD/Intel debate is the same as people arguing over ATI/NVidia. But don't let me fire that debate in here. The big issue I have always seen usually in the motherboards that are chosen rather than the processor.

For instance I have never had luck with Asus mainboards but I have also never had any problems with MSI.

The anti trust thing in computing has been an issue since microsoft took off with their practice of selling MS-Dos to companies and putting in the contract that Microsoft got a cut of sales regardless of the OS used on a manufacturers computers. That is how Microsoft got the huge lead over Apple and in turn is why Apple ended up manufacturing their own PC's.

But that is another topic. I find all these cases really interesting. I doubt we will see an end to this type of business practice anytime in the near future. Companies will always try to get away with as much as possible. Can you blame them for trying to destroy their competitors?

[Skorixor]

yeah this is nothing new

marlboro cigs do it to vendors

coke does it to their vendors

they say, "give us the most shelf space or we won't sell with you at all, or at a much higher price, etc etc"

[Zyre Mercutio]

yeah this is nothing new

marlboro cigs do it to vendors

coke does it to their vendors

they say, "give us the most shelf space or we won't sell with you at all, or at a much higher price, etc etc"

Wait so what yer trying to tell me is that these businesses are only concerned about their bottom line? It reminds me of when peoplebitch about what SOE does with SWG, right or wrong they are doing what they believe will make them more money and expand their customer base. For me I just wish businesses in general and MMORg's specifically tried being more customer friendly with regards to support and response.

Back to AMD, my last 4 pc's all use AThlon/AMD chips and I have liked them all. I don't overclock so I don't usually worry much about the heat factors. IE-Bo I had an Asus motherboard that Vrillian (COP Vrillian)
was troubleshooting for me because the pc kept crshing and not posting and we did have to send it back, only to find out it was the HDD that the opsys was on that was the culprit.

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