Buffs

[Ekade]

Rather than piling it all on and letting the person with the quickest mind attack win.

Yeah, that has been another issue with Doc Buffs. They favor the Mind Attack professions.

Combat is no fun when the result is a foregone conclusion. When both sides have a legitimate chance, that's when it is interesting.

[dillion]

Regardless of Buffs or not though Ekade, the mind will be a target cause you can't heal it.

Isleh, there's tons of differences between your setup and a Jedi Bounty. I don't think anyone would grief you here. I don't think any BH is gonna come at you with a 2100 mind poison. You will never be ganked by a group of 20. And again you will always have a chance to prepare.

Frustration due to weekly changes to penalties as well as the bugs that came made me upset. Once things finally settled and they fixed things like griefing and bugs that allowed BH's to maintain TEFs the system became acceptable.

[Isleh]

Regardless of Buffs or not though Ekade, the mind will be a target cause you can't heal it.

Isleh, there's tons of differences between your setup and a Jedi Bounty. I don't think anyone would grief you here. I don't think any BH is gonna come at you with a 2100 mind poison. You will never be ganked by a group of 20. And again you will always have a chance to prepare.

Frustration due to weekly changes to penalties as well as the bugs that came made me upset. Once things finally settled and they fixed things like griefing and bugs that allowed BH's to maintain TEFs the system became acceptable.

Nope, ganked only by 3 :P ( No worries Novall )

I'm sure no one would grief. The 2100 mind poison? not in the beginning but it will escalate to that and completly shut out the non-combat marks if we don't decide on a cut-off point.

What will happen is this.

1 - I become a mark again and a bounty is placed on me.
2 - Since I know that the hunter will be buffed, I too ensure that I am also doctor and entertainer buffed.
3 - I have brandy, pixie and muon and other food to use depending on how they attack me.
4 - I know I'm outclassed in combat so the only thing I can do to protect myself is..... Uber Elite Comp armor

After all, a mark has to be prepared

Guess what? The hunter knowing all the above will do the same. After all, the hunter has to be on top of their game.

Since I know the hunter is doing the same, then I will avoid any possible contact with them and stay in hiding. The whole scenerio goes.

The client places the bounty.
I avoid all contact and possible RP encounters because it is a fight I can't win.
The hunter finally uses findfriend.
A buffed/Comp armor fight ensues.
The hunter collects their bounty.

We can test it out and in the current system I will lose every time against an oopponent with buffed stats. I do not do enough damage to overcome the buffed regeneration. I do not have a mind attack and even if my random hits took Novall's mind down, as a Zabrak, equilibrum would heal his mind completly since he has the huge pool of buffed stats to draw upon.

Besides, since the Hunters do stay buffed, they have probably set their willpower and focus to the maximum. As a result, their unbuffed mind stats are most likley better than mine when I have 2 brandy boost.

No thank you.

[Novall]

Regardless of Buffs or not though Ekade, the mind will be a target cause you can't heal it.

Isleh, there's tons of differences between your setup and a Jedi Bounty. I don't think anyone would grief you here. I don't think any BH is gonna come at you with a 2100 mind poison. You will never be ganked by a group of 20. And again you will always have a chance to prepare.

Frustration due to weekly changes to penalties as well as the bugs that came made me upset. Once things finally settled and they fixed things like griefing and bugs that allowed BH's to maintain TEFs the system became acceptable.

Nope, ganked only by 3 :P ( No worries Novall )

I'm sure no one would grief. The 2100 mind poison? not in the beginning but it will escalate to that and completly shut out the non-combat marks if we don't decide on a cut-off point.

What will happen is this.

1 - I become a mark again and a bounty is placed on me.
2 - Since I know that the hunter will be buffed, I too ensure that I am also doctor and entertainer buffed.
3 - I have brandy, pixie and muon and other food to use depending on how they attack me.
4 - I know I'm outclassed in combat so the only thing I can do to protect myself is..... Uber Elite Comp armor

After all, a mark has to be prepared

Guess what? The hunter knowing all the above will do the same. After all, the hunter has to be on top of their game.

Since I know the hunter is doing the same, then I will avoid any possible contact with them and stay in hiding. The whole scenerio goes.

The client places the bounty.
I avoid all contact and possible RP encounters because it is a fight I can't win.
The hunter finally uses findfriend.
A buffed/Comp armor fight ensues.
The hunter collects their bounty.

We can test it out and in the current system I will lose every time against an oopponent with buffed stats. I do not do enough damage to overcome the buffed regeneration. I do not have a mind attack and even if my random hits took Novall's mind down, as a Zabrak, equilibrum would heal his mind completly since he has the huge pool of buffed stats to draw upon.

Besides, since the Hunters do stay buffed, they have probably set their willpower and focus to the maximum. As a result, their unbuffed mind stats are most likley better than mine when I have 2 brandy boost.

No thank you.

In my personal opinion...a hunter who's signed up to do this really needs to keep themselves in check. Just like i said over /tells, Based on what I know of the mark...I outfit myself accordingly. Sometimes I'll do a partial buff, sometimes I'll do a full buff. In Ilesh's case, I only buffed my action and heath stats, used no mind buff and no spice or food. I was actually starting to get a little worried about my mind bar when she started fighting back. I didnt have any pistol specials up, nor did I use any against her. I also had no armor on save my composit chest piece that goes with the uniform.

If she had landed 3 good last ditch shots that hit my mind, I would have been takin a dirt nap. Reguardless of your skill mods ect, I do give my marks a chance...and I also encourage my MERCS to do the same. You cant be in GOD mode all the time, its just not fun at all

My advice to everyone who signs up to be a mark is to invest in atleast ONE good weapon, and maybe some good food/drink/spice that you can carry at all times. Vercupti mixed with muon, brandy, synth steak, and a couple other choice foods/drinks will really do alot..even if you arnt buffed. I've seen times when food and spice has given me better stats then some buffs. Also invest in a stun PSG to get rid of that nasty stun damage without paying 500k for stun armor.

[Isleh]

I realize that any Hunter who gets BH missions off the terminals and hunts Jedi needs their stats set up the way they are. That being so, you can't go after a mark unbuffed so I will back up what I'm asking for. I have an alt who is a Master Image Designer and I will put her services at your disposal.

Any hunter who wants to adjust their stats so they can hunt a Mark without buffs, I will adjust their stats to do so. Then I will adjust them back after its over.

[KirtViza]

I was on TeamSpeak last night, and i too came to the conclusion that buffs arent good for anytype of gameplay, By being buffed and using certin foods i cant get all 3 main ham pools close to 5k and thats crazy. Iam currently going to change my HAM from pvp back to what i think it should be, then i will rely more on what can be made and was desgined to help players cause i know along with many that BUFFS, are not meant to make you as strong as they are.

Isleh, whenever you can get your alt on let me know i will gladly allow you to fix my ham

[Isleh]

In my personal opinion...a hunter who's signed up to do this really needs to keep themselves in check. Just like i said over /tells, Based on what I know of the mark...I outfit myself accordingly. Sometimes I'll do a partial buff, sometimes I'll do a full buff. In Ilesh's case, I only buffed my action and heath stats, used no mind buff and no spice or food. I was actually starting to get a little worried about my mind bar when she started fighting back. I didnt have any pistol specials up, nor did I use any against her. I also had no armor on save my composit chest piece that goes with the uniform.

If she had landed 3 good last ditch shots that hit my mind, I would have been takin a dirt nap. Reguardless of your skill mods ect, I do give my marks a chance...and I also encourage my MERCS to do the same. You cant be in GOD mode all the time, its just not fun at all

My advice to everyone who signs up to be a mark is to invest in atleast ONE good weapon, and maybe some good food/drink/spice that you can carry at all times. Vercupti mixed with muon, brandy, synth steak, and a couple other choice foods/drinks will really do alot..even if you arnt buffed. I've seen times when food and spice has given me better stats then some buffs. Also invest in a stun PSG to get rid of that nasty stun damage without paying 500k for stun armor.

I also used panic shot to get every thing I ran past to aggro...

I have an Imperial Experimental PSG Effectiveness sliced to about 40%

The padded chest and leg armor I was wearing was effectiveness sliced while the arms and boots were encumbrance sliced.

You would drool over the Modified Republic Blasters, DX2s, Fetherweight FWG5s, Advanced FWG5s, Tangle Pistols, etc.. I have. 34-35% damage or speed sliced with damage or speed powerups. Take your pick.

Vercupti, brandy, accragram, bofa treats, Muon, Pixie all in the in the quick keys.


Maybe I was cheated by a system bug because I did not see your mind stat change. Any health or action hits I did see seemed to heal almost instantly. Was the spice downer from the trip bact to Nocturnus?

Even if I did manage to take you down Novall, Kirt and Bilko were fully buffed.

[Jerrel]

Here's my 2 cents again, and forgive me if I seem repetitive. First off why must there be a FAIR fight between the mark and the hunter? Fairness of a fight is irelivant to the Bounty Hunter he is in it for the money and nothing else. Sure one could play a Bounty Hunter who has a code of honnor disallowing him from taking bounties that are too easy but thats for the hunter to deside. On the other side of it why in the world is any bounty hunter who is involved with our system using /findfriend? It is out right cheating. Fett couldn't pull out a data pad a go "find Han Solo" and suddenly Fett knows where Han is so for us roleplayer to do so is a gross abuse of game mechanics. If a BH is found to do this he/she should be banned from our system of bounties. What should be done to make it possible for a bounty hunter to find his/her mark there should be a list of known hang outs along with the posting. There should at least be one listed and it should be a location the mark accually hangs out at. For example I frequent Coronet and Mos Eisley.

[Isleh]

Here's my 2 cents again, and forgive me if I seem repetitive. First off why must there be a FAIR fight between the mark and the hunter? Fairness of a fight is irelivant to the Bounty Hunter he is in it for the money and nothing else. Sure one could play a Bounty Hunter who has a code of honnor disallowing him from taking bounties that are too easy but thats for the hunter to deside. On the other side of it why in the world is any bounty hunter who is involved with our system using /findfriend? It is out right cheating. Fett couldn't pull out a data pad a go "find Han Solo" and suddenly Fett knows where Han is so for us roleplayer to do so is a gross abuse of game mechanics. If a BH is found to do this he/she should be banned from our system of bounties. What should be done to make it possible for a bounty hunter to find his/her mark there should be a list of known hang outs along with the posting. There should at least be one listed and it should be a location the mark accually hangs out at. For example I frequent Coronet and Mos Eisley.

/findfriend is used to simulate the seeker droids. Not to be used right away but to be eventually used once the BH has gathered enough information. It's really up to the BH to decide when to use it for good RP.

As for a the reason for a fair fight? No, the bounty hunter shouldn't.... But the players SHOULD. This is for fun and good RP for ALL players involved. It's not here so you can stomp the mark into the dirt.

But we are not asking for a fair fight, we are simply asking for a small chance.

The simple fact is that there are players wanting to take part who do not have combat orientated characters. If the players who do have combat orientated characters are not willing to make concessions, then you are basically excluding them.

Doctor and Entertainer buffs get mentioned most often because they push the differences between the 2 sides into extremes.

You have 2 options. Make concessions so that everyone can enjoy themselves or watch this system flounder.

[KirtViza]

Look at it this way, Zo complains that with his sword using specials he kills himself faster then i could but guess what your not suppose to SPAM specials.Specials are just that "special" they are used to do quick and high dmg without being used over and over and over, the actual skill comes from default attack which is what novall did while chasing Isleh. Believe it or not but even after we have a special's bar you are still not going to be able to hit somone a hundred times with last ditch, why you may ask because it's not meant to be that way. I have been with this game since launch i remember only using one special the entire time which were dot's IE. Torso shot,bleeding shot, and body shot I have always played this way till things changed. Now you might say ok this is fair for us but you have to look at hunters like myself and others who also hunt jedi who have a force bar that is used for specials, They can spam and spam all they want till it runs down and inorder to lvl the field buffs allow us that but when we go into regular pvp with other players it is hard for us to change so much in such a short time. I have tried to hunt unbuffed and it is hard not to slam F9 constatly but i feel that by taking buffs out you will see more grouped hunters then solo ones (espically ones like me who use carbines and know how high the ham costs are).

[Isleh]

And I want to thank Novall for making concessions and taking my fun and enjoyment into consideration when getting buffed. It was and is appreciated. Thank you

I'm not here to just bitch because I was captured. For a dancer to expect to take on a fully trained Hunter and win is absurd. Let alone 3 of them. That's why I ran like hell. There are other consideration that Novall, Kirt and Bilko did that let me actually run. For that chance, there is additional thanks.

When I look back on the experience, it was exciting. Far more exciting then I expected. So, for the people who are afraid of odds are stacked to high against them, I want to address those issues and fix them.

This may seem like I've flopped 180 degrees, its not. I still think buffs are bad. I consider you friends and I just want to change the tone of the discussion a bit and Novall, Kirt and Bilko deserve some respect for a some good RP.

In fact, it's that good RP that cements my resolve to get doctor and entertainer buffs removed. If I knew now what I didn't know then, I might have missed that experience because I was not buffed.

[Ekade]

Here's my 2 cents again, and forgive me if I seem repetitive. First off why must there be a FAIR fight between the mark and the hunter? Fairness of a fight is irelivant to the Bounty Hunter he is in it for the money and nothing else. Sure one could play a Bounty Hunter who has a code of honnor disallowing him from taking bounties that are too easy but thats for the hunter to deside. On the other side of it why in the world is any bounty hunter who is involved with our system using /findfriend? It is out right cheating. Fett couldn't pull out a data pad a go "find Han Solo" and suddenly Fett knows where Han is so for us roleplayer to do so is a gross abuse of game mechanics. If a BH is found to do this he/she should be banned from our system of bounties. What should be done to make it possible for a bounty hunter to find his/her mark there should be a list of known hang outs along with the posting. There should at least be one listed and it should be a location the mark accually hangs out at. For example I frequent Coronet and Mos Eisley.

I see your point, but I would counter with this...

Boba Fett is cool in concept not because he is superman.. but because he is skilled and intelligent. He makes critical decisions at critical times. He skill and instinct are what make him something to be admired. He would be nowhere near as interesting if he was 6 times as strong as an average human and was immune to wounds.

*waits for Seret to jump in.. this is basically a Superman versus Batman discusson*

The interest in an encounter is derived from the challenge. If I fight Novall 100 times and he beats me every time because he is a more skilled fighter than me.. I am okay with that. If he beats me 1 time because he is buffed (and I am not).. puts me on follow and attacks me.. goes AFK to take a piss and grab a beer.. and wins.. THAT SUCKS.

Also, as a mark I an run forever.. buffed or no. I can almost guarantee that I can make myself unkillabe by running away forever. The game mechanics can be exploited in my favor. At some point every mark is a good sport and faces their hunters. Throw them a bone.

[Ekade]

The simple fact is that there are players wanting to take part who do not have combat orientated characters. If the players who do have combat orientated characters are not willing to make concessions, then you are basically excluding them.

Doctor and Entertainer buffs get mentioned most often because they push the differences between the 2 sides into extremes.

That is an excellent point. Only 56% of my skill points have any combat value whatsoever. As such, I don't participate in the general PVP scene as it is, it is futile. It would be a shame to feel excluded from this as well.

[Jerrel]

I do agree it has to be about skill and in praticallity if a Bounty Hunter thinks he/she can take out a mark with little difficulty he/she would not spend the creds on buff (as I said before to a Bounty Hunter it's about the money) maximizing his/her profit marjin. However if the Bounty Hunter doesn't know what the mark is, in terms of professions, then the Bounty Hunter is going to perpare him/herself for a worst case sinarrio. Fett knew always when what he was gona face and hence knew what steps to take to ensure his victory. As for the mark having a chance I think it is ifinatly funner when a mark out thinks the hunter. This can develope in a variety of ways and even manifest itself when the hunter finds the mark by means of a trap for the hunter.

*Note: I have yet to takr on one of the bounties and do not know what amout of info one gets before the accuall confertation.

*Note: Personally I HATE buffs period they have ruined pvp and grouping. I feel for the docs out there but this has to go give the docs another use. Maybee a bacta patch every one can use on the fly with no trainning but takes some breather time to administer.

[Ekade]

Fett was the most feared hunter in the Galaxy because he was good.. because of his skill. His reputation was earned over time.

As is too often the case, bounty hunters want to say that they are the best without having actually earned the title. They just want to get buffed and set up a bunch of easy-win scenarios to make it seem like they are good.

I would like to see our system be actually challenging for the hunters.. so we can see, through their skill and cunning, who the best bounty hunters are.

Right now the routine is.. Get buffed.. use /findFriend.. walk up and blow away unbuffed opponent... get paid.

I'd like to see some real competition here. Something to get the blood flowing. I want to hunter to have to bring their absolute "A-game". They will have to decide on what food/spice/armor/weapons to use. They will have to actually study their opponent and THINK about how to take them out.

Am I crazy or does this sound like more fun?