Complaint about 'orgy' at Roba

[Jabe Adaks]

so Jabe, you mean people are having sex all the time?? O-o

Ding!

/raises Whar's hand.

We have our first winner!

Jabe

[Isleh]

Just FYI

From mpaa.org

PG-13:"Parents Strongly Cautioned. Some Material May Be Inappropriate For Children Under 13."

PG-13 is thus a sterner warning to parents to determine for themselves the attendance in particular of their younger children as they might consider some material not suited for them. Parents, by the rating, are alerted to be very careful about the attendance of their under-teenage children.

A PG-13 film is one which, in the view of the Rating Board, leaps beyond the boundaries of the PG rating in theme, violence, nudity, sensuality, language, or other contents, but does not quite fit within the restricted R category. Any drug use content will initially require at least a PG-13 rating. In effect, the PG-13 cautions parents with more stringency than usual to give special attention to this film before they allow their 12-year olds and younger to attend.

If nudity is sexually oriented, the film will generally not be found in the PG-13 category. If violence is too rough or persistent, the film goes into the R (restricted) rating. A film's single use of one of the harsher sexually-derived words, though only as an expletive, shall initially require the Rating Board to issue that film at least a PG-13 rating. More than one such expletive must lead the Rating Board to issue a film an R rating, as must even one of these words used in a sexual context. These films can be rated less severely, however, if by a special vote, the Rating Board feels that a lesser rating would more responsibly reflect the opinion of American parents.

PG-13 places larger responsibilities on parents for their children's moviegoing. The voluntary rating system is not a surrogate parent, nor should it be. It cannot, and should not, insert itself in family decisions that only parents can, and should, make. Its purpose is to give prescreening advance informational warnings, so that parents can form their own judgments. PG-13 is designed to make these parental decisions easier for films between PG and R.

R:"Restricted, Under 17 Requires Accompanying Parent Or Adult Guardian." In the opinion of the Rating Board, this film definitely contains some adult material. Parents are strongly urged to find out more about this film before they allow their children to accompany them.

An R-rated film may include hard language, or tough violence, or nudity within sensual scenes, or drug abuse or other elements, or a combination of some of the above, so that parents are counseled, in advance, to take this advisory rating very seriously. Parents must find out more about an R-rated movie before they allow their teenagers to view it.

NC-17:"No One 17 And Under Admitted."

This rating declares that the Rating Board believes that this is a film that most parents will consider patently too adult for their youngsters under 17. No children will be admitted. NC-17 does not necessarily mean "obscene or pornographic" in the oft-accepted or legal meaning of those words. The Board does not and cannot mark films with those words. These are legal terms and for courts to decide. The reasons for the application of an NC-17 rating can be violence or sex or aberrational behavior or drug abuse or any other elements which, when present, most parents would consider too strong and therefore off-limits for viewing by their children.

Most of everything I've seen at the Roba falls within the PG-13 rating and may have only bumped up into R on a rare occasion.

I will bet that the same people who say they hate RPers have gone to the movies and paid money to see the same things.

Most likely, they walked out of that same movie theater saying that the movie roxzored because it had in it what they are now complaining about.

[Novall]

Well, my only comment on this is the following:

Theres plenty of other servers out there. If someone doesnt like the way our community RP's then they can roll out to another server. Were a mostly mature audience, and were going to RP in that way.

Rev. Novall "Supafly" Talon.
First ex-Pimp of Mos Eisley

[Jaminos]

Well, my only comment on this is the following:

Theres plenty of other servers out there. If someone doesnt like the way our community RP's then they can roll out to another server. Were a mostly mature audience, and were going to RP in that way.

Rev. Novall "Supafly" Talon.
First ex-Pimp of Mos Eisley

*Thinks about events of yesterday* I think your former habits die hard.

People have the right to go to the events and expect a certain level of rating. It could be rated XXX for all I care, people are not forced to go to these events. I am just nie enough to keep all affairs related to such out of peoples buisnesss.

[Illbleed]

You are not going to take your pants off at walmart and have your way with your spouce.

And why not? Nothing more sexy than sporting goods and firearms..

Oh, wait I'm not married...

Dammit.

[Jerrel]

Number one thing I think we should remember is that children do play the game and when we post an open event to all ages we should have the curtosy to keep things PG-13. I know some of you say "we kill thing so why can't we be physical with one an other two," and I would agree with this setiment IF the visuals on this game were on the level of Doom 3. We live in a socieity where simulated violents and sexuality, as long as it is not graphic, is acceptible (for those of you who don't believe me on the sexuality part there are a few PG-13 movies as well as several basic TV programs where people of the same sex kiss and the opposit sex have insinuated sex.) I think the biggest thing that makes it acceptible there and not nessisarily here is the human factor. You look at a toon and see the name in blue and you know that that is a person playing the game someware. If that person chooses to emote sexual conitated acts the observer feels as though they've just walked in on some ones private moment. Most people can deal with that feeling of embarasment but others cannot and lash out at the individual that made them feel embarased. In non-online games the player doesn't face that. We are a generation that has grown up with telivision and we are told for an early age that every thing we see there is make-believe and that gives us the same level of disconnect from what we are watching.

On a personal level I simply do not rp intimate relationships (by this I mean boyfriend girlfriend relations). I'm not exactly sure why, but I feel that its just not that important to my roleplaying experience.

[Jaminos]

I have to admit there are many young players. I have seen all to many *caugh Jedi* I know I am younger but I am 21 so I can handle this stuff with ease. But at any rate, Intiment relations In game should be kept from player events. Keep most of what you want to do for later, after or before. You can never tell what kind of people are driving the toons. Such as how many female toons are driven by male players. Not saying there is anything wrong with that, my alt is a female. I only made her that because I had mainly male alts. Anyhow it is just more considerate to keep such things away from events and keep them to a more private setting.

[Ceza Aniwe]

I think that if this person had a ligitimate complaint, then they should have given specific examples of what is offensive. Sounds to me this person has nothing better to do with their time. How can any of us address or solve an issue that is so vauge? As noted previously, hey, if the Roba is not your cup of tea, no one is forcing anyone to stay and observe. "Can't please 'em all!"

[Jabe Adaks]

Hmm.. Considering a new macro...

/pointat;
/shout Look at the orgy!!! w000t!;


Hmm.. I will need to work on that.

Jabe

[KirtViza]

You are not going to take your pants off at walmart and have your way with your spouce.

And why not? Nothing more sexy than sporting goods and firearms..

Oh, wait I'm not married...

Dammit.

Umm..wallmart? shit go to macys and try the fiiting rooms out..too much space for just one person.

[xyryn]

Some thot's:

Some of you are in denial about how much does take place in the Roba...not all the time, but once in awhile. However, any child would not recognize most of it. Some of the teens would.

What I have seen bother a few people is the slavery bit...the last 14 year old that I know was in the Roba, a Wookiee, offered to rescue a slave and then became hurt and angry when she refused to be rescued. A short discussion resulted in the kid becoming a little educated about differing views on the world...and that particular slave handled the situation delicately.

I was nonplussed several times during my first couple of months watching the happenings at the Roba. I did not run away screaming about the overt sexual byplay...but I was lucky in that i had someone to talk it over with to regain my intellectual equilibrium. The result is that I have a decent RP group to play with and learn from.

BUT, had i not had that outlet, I too would have taken my leave and looked for another group. I almost did.

[IagoBoom]

Just FYI

From mpaa.org

PG-13:"Parents Strongly Cautioned. Some Material May Be Inappropriate For Children Under 13."

PG-13 is thus a sterner warning to parents to determine for themselves the attendance in particular of their younger children as they might consider some material not suited for them. Parents, by the rating, are alerted to be very careful about the attendance of their under-teenage children.

A PG-13 film is one which, in the view of the Rating Board, leaps beyond the boundaries of the PG rating in theme, violence, nudity, sensuality, language, or other contents, but does not quite fit within the restricted R category. Any drug use content will initially require at least a PG-13 rating. In effect, the PG-13 cautions parents with more stringency than usual to give special attention to this film before they allow their 12-year olds and younger to attend.

If nudity is sexually oriented, the film will generally not be found in the PG-13 category. If violence is too rough or persistent, the film goes into the R (restricted) rating. A film's single use of one of the harsher sexually-derived words, though only as an expletive, shall initially require the Rating Board to issue that film at least a PG-13 rating. More than one such expletive must lead the Rating Board to issue a film an R rating, as must even one of these words used in a sexual context. These films can be rated less severely, however, if by a special vote, the Rating Board feels that a lesser rating would more responsibly reflect the opinion of American parents.

PG-13 places larger responsibilities on parents for their children's moviegoing. The voluntary rating system is not a surrogate parent, nor should it be. It cannot, and should not, insert itself in family decisions that only parents can, and should, make. Its purpose is to give prescreening advance informational warnings, so that parents can form their own judgments. PG-13 is designed to make these parental decisions easier for films between PG and R.

R:"Restricted, Under 17 Requires Accompanying Parent Or Adult Guardian." In the opinion of the Rating Board, this film definitely contains some adult material. Parents are strongly urged to find out more about this film before they allow their children to accompany them.

An R-rated film may include hard language, or tough violence, or nudity within sensual scenes, or drug abuse or other elements, or a combination of some of the above, so that parents are counseled, in advance, to take this advisory rating very seriously. Parents must find out more about an R-rated movie before they allow their teenagers to view it.

NC-17:"No One 17 And Under Admitted."

This rating declares that the Rating Board believes that this is a film that most parents will consider patently too adult for their youngsters under 17. No children will be admitted. NC-17 does not necessarily mean "obscene or pornographic" in the oft-accepted or legal meaning of those words. The Board does not and cannot mark films with those words. These are legal terms and for courts to decide. The reasons for the application of an NC-17 rating can be violence or sex or aberrational behavior or drug abuse or any other elements which, when present, most parents would consider too strong and therefore off-limits for viewing by their children.

I've seen R-Ratings more than just occasionally, but....they usually don't occur until late in the event, after the crowd has thinned and I'm confident in saying that the audience is old enough to handle it, at that point.

As in other organizations I've been part of, one or two bad views of a group tend to domino. All of that "RP Hater"'s friends, now, avoid RP. People that meet him that are leery about trying it feel vindicated in their hesitation. He's slowly pushing more people away from our group, with every interraction he has with others. He won't harm our group's current population with his views, but he is a hinderance upon recruiting.

I, myself, wouldn't likely have pushed him for more information in reguards to his reasoning, either, but we might want to contact him and ask if he could explain the incident in more detail so we can reevaluate what happened and see if changes should be made to better accomodate the pottential RPers. The more we know about the group's publicity, the better, imo.

The 14 year old that Xyryn is referring to is the 2nd such early-teenage she and I have bumped into at our events in, I'd guess, a little over a month. The other was interested in what went on, and a small group of us got to know him. During this first little interview, he also displayed concerns about the slavery issue, and upon his second event visit, he developed more questions about dominance and submission....

[Tovaar]

Well I was kinda brainstorming with Iago about this breifly ig. Here is what we kinda discussed and I would like to know what you guys think. I was thinking that we put some sort of disclaimer about our events. But we came up with a few problems with that idea

1) Adult event- if we say the event is over a pg-13 rating, soe might not look so kindly at that. Even going so far as to shut down the event.

2) Disclaimer- where would we post such a disclaimer since most of the people that stumble into the roba and other events dont see the posts on the forums.

** Here is some solutions **

1) to emphasize the pg-13 rating, going so far as to even defining it in a nice little mail and summerizing what might take place at the event.
a) Mail- Example of such would be just explaining what pg-13 is and that in the example of the roba, it is the equivalent of a bar so to expect such things that one would see in a bar to be played out. This is only ment for the unsuspecting rper that stumbles upon an event.

2) where to put this disclaimer
a) A Bouncer- at events such as the roba, we could have someone checking ids at the front door. If the bouncer sees a new players that they do not know or recongnise they could send a mail stating what i said in section one in a nice formatted rp data pad transfer.

b) Locked door-I would hate to see it go so far but, we could even make the roba a locked structure and giving entrence only to those in rp guilds that have recieved such a warning, and then add new rpers to the entrence after they have recieved such a warning on the contents of the event.

c) Barker droid- another simplier idea would just have a barker droid at the door stating that this is a pg-13 event or such.

Its sad to see that something like this would have to be discussed. I have always been one for improv and open rp. But if having a disclaimer or some sort of notification at the door helps so that we do not have to modify our rp or be worried that we might be offending someone then im for that also. we do have to be aware that there are children playing this. I went to fanfest last year with my sister and let me tell you, they are alot younger then 13. Not to open the can of worms on the fact that parents need to monitor what their children do, but we have a responability to at least warn them. I dunno i can see both sides and im torn. We will not be able to appease everyone. That is at least my little added bit for my peace of mind. Hopefully you will all consider it with an open mind. And please dont hurt me....

[Jaminos]

I went to fanfest, I felt like I was at a daycare event. I pritty much grabbed the goodies and left. I have no intrest in going to that again. I have been to SW conventions for mmany years. Anyhow, I like Tovaars Idea, sure it can be rash but it dose kinda put foot to ass on some things.

I cannot prove I am 21 except a picture and TS but other then that you just have to trust me. but we do need to work somthing out, I know there are many child players we have to put into consideration. We need to do something about it.

[Tovaar]

it wasnt so much verifying ones age, they can lie if they want. but it gives us a clear conscience that at least we warned em. the bouncer just ensures that everyone gets the warning or understands that we do go to the full extent of pg-13