Complaint about 'orgy' at Roba

[Jaminos]

it wasnt so much verifying ones age, they can lie if they want. but it gives us a clear conscience that at least we warned em. the bouncer just ensures that everyone gets the warning or understands that we do go to the full extent of pg-13

That is fine with me, It just covers our backs. I think is someone has a legit warning then we should not have to worry. At any rate, "If you cannot stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

[Weyune]

I would only hope that if they can't stand the heat they would not be so shallow as to complain to the CSRs for one reason or another. If someone is offended enough and angry they just might do somethng rash like that.

Though I don't know if the CSRs have a way to officialy police or monitor events such as Roba night, I am in favor of the idea of the disclaimer. My only concern is outsiders coming in. Regulars of the Roba probably already know what to expect but we should also tell all new people who show an interest in RP, that we direct to the Roba and maybe S&V too, of just what might occur. S&V However might be different because its in a cantina which cannot be private.

May want to find several bouncers to handle this task too, incase anyone of them cannot be on for the Roba. So the bouncer could send the newcomer an e-mail , and then perhaps ask them a couple questions about it to make sure they read it. I hate to have to see it come to this too, but the last thing we want is to have the Roba event cancelled.

[Tovaar]

its sad, really really sad that we have to come up with ideas such as this. But I would hate to see any event cancelled. Perhaps a generic mail can be composed, one for each event

[Zannon]

Hmmm...the problem I see with any sort of disclaimer is that it's going to actually attract more non RPers that are immature boys looking for excitement. Sex sells and if you slap a disclaimer about adult RP onto something, you might as well just have a barker droid out in front of the Coronet Starport yelling, "Sex Show at the Roba!" because that's what all immature boys are going to assume.

[Krusshyk]

I think that this is getting a little out of hand personally...

Disclaimers for events? The idea of putting a disclaimer kind of rubs me the wrong way. Look out, an adult event. Like rp'ers need another black eye. They already get stereotyped enough, a disclaimer only helps the case that "rper's are inappropriate".

I have to look at it this way...we have no concrete instances of someone doing something offensive. When someone comes up with a specific "hey that person did this, I found it offensive", THEN we start dealing with things. I think we just blew one person's complaints out of proportion a bit here.

Just my take, folks.

[Novall]

I think that this is getting a little out of hand personally...

Disclaimers for events? The idea of putting a disclaimer kind of rubs me the wrong way. Look out, an adult event. Like rp'ers need another black eye. They already get stereotyped enough, a disclaimer only helps the case that "rper's are inappropriate".

I have to look at it this way...we have no concrete instances of someone doing something offensive. When someone comes up with a specific "hey that person did this, I found it offensive", THEN we start dealing with things. I think we just blew one person's complaints out of proportion a bit here.

Just my take, folks.

/agree

[Jaminos]

Well, I am up for anything, as long as it is taken care of then I do not care

[Seret Sajet]

Del'tar has a good point. If you send up a signal to people saying an event contains adult content then you're just giving people a chance to make assumptions about that event. Don't give people the satisfaction of mislabeling RPers by giving them ammunition. Although Tovaar's idea is a good one and her intentions are honorable you may just open the events to social attack.

It can also work in the other direction and not in a good way. What if those notices about adult content or PG-13 ratings attract people who aren't really RPers but players only interested in cybersex and nothing else. They might assume this is the place for them. Lets face it, they exist and may of us get falsely labeled as them. Those players who are sexually one-sided will do nothing but disrupt an event and REALLY instigate offensive behavior.

I'm with Del on this one. I love this community and I would hate to see it shed in a poor light. No one here did anything wrong so I think its safe to say we can move on and address any future issues as they come.

[Jaminos]

Well I think it is agreed we do need to do something, that was already said on the first post. What we need is a way to be discrete with it but still give the idea that it is not for children. But to do so is a task in itself. I have been thinking about different ways all day and nothing so far has came to mind.

I can see there are many kids who would give their left arm for some Cyber. But this event is nothing like that. Well, I will post something later, my boss needs me to take inventory of our games, sigh I will be back next week :P.

[Jabe Adaks]

Whoah, whoah, whoah.... We're way off course.

Let me start by saying that kissing, hugging, bumping and grinding are about the only things that one can reasonably expect to see at this event. If you want more, then it's probably going to be unwelcome by one or more people. Ultimately the environment is controlled by the GM of the event and in this case we are talking about an event that has no controlling authority that exists on this forum anymore.

This is an event in Dohrian. Alonzo has been long gone and I couldn't tell you who runs the event officially at this point. But whoever it is, it is up to them to make the rules. Nobody on this forum is going to tell you what you can do at this event. Simply because its not ours. To be honest its a rogue event from my point of view because I have no idea who actually run it anymore but the community here sure pays the price when there a problem with it.

When you go to the Roba you go at your own risk. We would never let an orgy break out at the casino, so you can expect it to never happen. The Roba runs itself as far as I can tell. I am not even sure we should endorse this event anymore since its shrouded in so much controversy. None of which we can control.

If you have a complaint about the Roba, go to Dohrian and check the terminal in the city hall and contact the listed mayor. Anyone else who wants to categorize roleplayers as sex fiends or become a "hater" by what they see at the Roba is prejudice by nature anyway. I don't judge female twileks as always being sex slaves, so anyone who would lump roleplayers in to a group by one experience is probably not welcome here anyway.

Its RP evolution, those that don't belong will leave on their own. Let them. Good riddance.

I am not worried about RP haters or how this even should be run. We can't control all the events on the server either way, there could be events this community does not even know that influence the decisions of others about roleplayers in general. The usefulness of this thread has been exhausted. So to make it clear these are my two major points:

1) RP haters or people who make judgements about groups by one or two experiences are worthless - forget about them.

2) Problems with the event should be directed to the authority in Dohrian that runs it. Its their decision.

The fact that this problem got funneled through Ekade to deal with is a major disappointment to me. Ekade has not been implicated as the source of the problem. If there is something you want to share first hand about anyone or anything happening at the Roba, take it to Dohrian.

I would expect anyone on this forum who has a problem with an event just start a thread about it. This is the only event we have posted on the calendar who's current GM is not a member here. I question if we should continue to do that.

Jabe

[Isleh]

Hmmm...the problem I see with any sort of disclaimer is that it's going to actually attract more non RPers that are immature boys looking for excitement. Sex sells and if you slap a disclaimer about adult RP onto something, you might as well just have a barker droid out in front of the Coronet Starport yelling, "Sex Show at the Roba!" because that's what all immature boys are going to assume.

I think that this is getting a little out of hand personally...

Disclaimers for events? The idea of putting a disclaimer kind of rubs me the wrong way. Look out, an adult event. Like rp'ers need another black eye. They already get stereotyped enough, a disclaimer only helps the case that "rper's are inappropriate".

I have to look at it this way...we have no concrete instances of someone doing something offensive. When someone comes up with a specific "hey that person did this, I found it offensive", THEN we start dealing with things. I think we just blew one person's complaints out of proportion a bit here.

Just my take, folks.

The disclaimer is on the box when they buy the game.

Lets look at the other side of the coin shall we? What about all the d00ds running around with no pants yelling "STFU". I see no disclaimers for them. If I were to express my concerns to them, I would most likley get the response along the lines of "Cry more n00b".

You know who's in the right? They are. They are well within the PG-13 guidelines and I should expect such behavior even though I dislike it. SOE has provided means to filter and ignore the parts of the game I don't like.

I think we have kept the Roba within the PG-13 guidelines and I will continue to do so. If someone complains, then I think we will be a lot more tactful than the "Cry more n00b" response but in essance ours should be the same.

Now that I had time to think about it, my response will be along the lines of:

"I'm sorry that the RP community gave you a bad first impression but what offended you is not what we're all about. I can only ask you to take the time to get to know us better and what the RP community is really about.

I would also like to point out that you have as much right to judge all of us by the actions of a few individuals as I would have the right of judging you based only on the actions of other individuals in your community. Even if you find MY actions offensive and have come to express them to me personally, you have no right to judge the others here by them.

Like all large communities, there are different groups that intermingle and interact with each other. While one group may not be to you liking, another may. Very much like various parts of the PvP community where some groups secretly raid while other's like to stage open wars. Some parts of the PvP community see the stealth raids as underhanded and unfair. They may even go as far as calling the stealth raiders griefers. Other parts of the PvP community may see the staged open wars unrealistic and not challenging.

If I ever take an intrest in PvP again, then I have no right to enter a community and expect them to comform to my will and submit to my opinion on how things should be and how they should act. No matter how much, or how little, time I spent looking into that community.

I will however gladly accept any help they offer in pointing me to a community of like minded people. Who knows, after time I may even come to agree with the community I originally rejected after I get to know them.

When you are ready and willing, I'll be here to help you find a RP community that you'll feel comfortable in or find a person who can."

[Weyune]

I see the point of not doing this but we didn't impliment something like this before and then look what happened.

[warsloth]

Whoa!

Putting a bouncer or disclaimer on this is bad news. Just like Zannon suggested.

Thats the worst possible over reaction we could have to this.
That will only bring extra attention. I suppose people should just use a little discretion. For the mostpart I think the more than pg-pg13 has been at the other events. Which from what I have witnessed is usually with our regulars.
just take it wasy for a bit.

[Jerrel]

Ok Steff Manning is the current mayor of Dohrina his alt is the characters husband Zak Manning. The one in charge of the Roba at the moment is Toront, I use in charge very loosly because all I know from my guild chat is that he's been takin care of the Kreetles pay. Tomorrow I'll bring this up to them and I'll post a link to this thread at our groups web sight. Hopefully one of them will come here and let us know what my guilds posistion on this is.


As a side note. If you feel that maybe your steping over the line from PG to PG-13 just censor yourself. It's like when I'm inproving a sence in front of my acting class I can cuss but when I volentier to improve scenes for a near by highschool I have to censor myself.

[Sai'nu]

*Batak mimic's one of Spocks lines... *

"If I were human I believe I'd tell them... Go to Hell! ," pauses a little, "If I were human."


As far as ig goes... SOE pretty much states what one can and can't expect out of the game. There are filters, the options to ban people from establishments or make them private (only letting people in that you want at an event on an indvidual basis)... etc, etc. It's the biggots problem; they should make like the stormtrooper says and, "Move along, move along..."

Although, simply creating a list for event places and turning on private may be the best solution. That way anyone else that wants to come has to be 'screened' to make sure their of appropriate adult behavioral levels to be there.

Sorry, *rant off*.