SW/SWG musings of one who's just beaten food poisoning.

[Novall]

All the becons work well. I dont know what new stuff they added with the last publish, but I know they did. I've tested out the flags, pavillions, gazeebos, NPC's ect. It all works very well

Yout only constraint is the spacing between placing static objects.

[Li'ith]

Thank you! I would like to play more with others, but the character I created really has no reason to go into a cantina...thus I do most of my roleplaying with NPCs. I'm working up a reason to become a mark, but it's hazy yet. So, venues of play are limited.

A Renaissance Faire type of atmosphere would be wonderful! I could hawk some, and "shop" some. I could meet people...what a novel concept!

I'm looking forward to group hunts...as soon as I find something other than "solo groups" and make it past the tyro stage. (I would prefer to be an asset to rather than a drain on a group.)

As a footnote: Of course I have seen the movies. No, I have never read the books. However, the amount of cultural material hinted at in the movies should leave room for almost anything anyone could imagine ...from mendicant's guilds on up to palace intrigues or cultures never touched on in the movies...the galaxy is the limit and the "Canon" is only a guideline.

[Oroho]

The first time I RP'd with you 'guys' wasn't in a cantaina and it was a blast (I think it was a rescue from an imperial compund). I hadn't had a good RP fix in a about half a year (I had the shakes, it's was hidieous). Once I get higher creature handler, I'd offer to bring along a small herd of banthas and dewbacks for sale or trade or other critters (mostly under level 10 so everyone could purchase without worry of level). Maybe even have a yard sale of sorts where everyone parks on their front poarches and hawks stuff.

I know it's not 'RP'ish, but perhaps a scavenger hunt? Could be an interesting way to get the 'troops' together for some fun and perhaps get some other non-RPers to join.

Of course, this could all be the sinus medication talking, but heeeeyy..

I'm up for any sorta RP. The market sounds like fun, the droid thing sounds fun, -aw heck, it all sounds like fun. You guys know I'll go anywhere and at least try to kill anything.. (even if it hands me my butt, the butt of my creature and the butt of my own pistol...).

That is all.

[Ekade]

Why RP cantina events? Because they are easy to put together. These exist to bring people together, to help people advance elements of their ongoing stories, and to basically give us something to do between major events (which, as anyone who has ever done one of these will tell you, take a lot of time and energy to put together).

FYI.. we had a non-cantina event a couple Saturdays ago. The Temple of the Goddess dedication ceremony in Nocturnus. 6 people showed up to watch. After a turnout like that it is kinda hard to find the motivation to put together another event. We put a good deal of energy and creativity into that. /rant off

I go to the weekly social events specifically to interact with people outside my clique. I make it a point to RP with as many folks as I can.

If you want a non-cantina RP event, then I suggest you organize a non-cantina RP event.

If you ever ask the question.. "Why don't we ever do <insert activity here>?" The answer is, "Because I never made it happen."

[Hashum]

Why RP cantina events? Because they are easy to put together. These exist to bring people together, to help people advance elements of their ongoing stories, and to basically give us something to do between major events (which, as anyone who has ever done one of these will tell you, take a lot of time and energy to put together).

FYI.. we had a non-cantina event a couple Saturdays ago. The Temple of the Goddess dedication ceremony in Nocturnus. 6 people showed up to watch. After a turnout like that it is kinda hard to find the motivation to put together another event. We put a good deal of energy and creativity into that. /rant off

I go to the weekly social events specifically to interact with people outside my clique. I make it a point to RP with as many folks as I can.

If you want a non-cantina RP event, then I suggest you organize a non-cantina RP event.

If you ever ask the question.. "Why don't we ever do <insert activity here>?" The answer is, "Because I never made it happen."

Well no offense but I disagree with you on this one. I can understand your frustration at having an event fall out with the Temple Ceramony last week but that's also a kind of specific group your targeting. I mean a character has to have an RP motivation to attend a religous ceramony. So don't take it too hard.

But as to "Why don't we ever do <insert activity here>?" The answer is, "Because I never made it happen." that's definately not true. Many people have had the same kind of fall out you've had, at such events. And just as you mentioned its probably harder to hold such an event outside a cantina. So the lack of a particular activity is not because an "I" never made it happen. An "I" doesn't make aything happen. It takes "us" to do anything, Cantina events or Non-cantina events. And sometimes it's hard to find the "us" to do such things.

I'm sorry but I just take offense with that last line.

[Ekade]

10.) And a final pondering.. More of a musing.. We need someone of Palpatine's skills to start coordinating events, maybe mothly that get -everyone- out of the cantinas and into the world of Star Wars (as un-canon as it is), and start living it. I've taken alt upon alt (some alts that my guildies don't even know about) to many an event, and felt my character was instantly added to the entire room's ignore list. I sense.. Stagnance.

If I had the time and energy, I would do this. Unfortunatley RL does not allow me that luxury (I have little ones and being a good parent is a higher priority than being Palpatine, as much as I would love that ).

However, I do agree that we would all benefit from a person, or small group of people that acted in the role of storyteller, or mega-gm (or something like that). This person would have an awareness of the active RP groups and come up with stories that these groups would participate in. I have been touting this idea for a while but it seems unable to carry momentum. One of these days it will get some traction.


To your comment about stagnance.. To what do you attribute this problem to? Is it them? Is it you? Is it some combination of both? Why do you think there is stagnance? What is not working? Why is it so? What have you done to improve the situation?

[Ekade]

Well no offense but I disagree with you on this one. I can understand your frustration at having an event fall out with the Temple Ceramony last week but that's also a kind of specific group your targeting. I mean a character has to have an RP motivation to attend a religous ceramony. So don't take it too hard.

I don't think it is too hard to invent a justification to attend such a thing. My point was, if the gripe is about having nothing but cantina events.. then try supporting the non-cantina events.

Personally, my character would not participate in harldy any of the "rescue" events and such. I am a roleplayer. I am part of a community. I support my fellow roleplayers and their efforts to organize and execute events. As such, I make up a reason to be there, even if it is a stretch.

You may disagree, but I feel that as players we need to stretch our characters a little but to help eachother out.

But as to "Why don't we ever do <insert activity here>?" The answer is, "Because I never made it happen." that's definately not true. Many people have had the same kind of fall out you've had, at such events. And just as you mentioned its probably harder to hold such an event outside a cantina. So the lack of a particular activity is not because an "I" never made it happen. An "I" doesn't make aything happen. It takes "us" to do anything, Cantina events or Non-cantina events. And sometimes it's hard to find the "us" to do such things.

I'm sorry but I just take offense with that last line.

My attitude about events may differ from yours. If I want something to happen.. I can complain about it, and I often do, and hope it happens. If I REALLY want something to happen, I need to make it happen.

"We" are responsible for making things happen. My point was to make sure we point the finger at ourselves before we point it at other people. If someone is going to gripe about why something is NOT happening, I will gladly throw it back in their face and say, "What are YOU doing to make it happen?" To which they will put up or shut up.

I like problem solvers.

[Krusshyk]

Hmmm...I don't think Hashum was implying that we scapegoat everyone else and not ourselves for a failed event. The way I read it was, "Hey my event bombed...I guess we (meanining myself included) could have done things better."

How does one "make" an event happen? To be honest, I think a person's ability in that capacity is severly limited. If I gm, what exactly can I do? Post time and location of an event well in advance. I can ask/inform others about a possible arc I wish to start. I can post backstory in the form of IC threads here on the boards. I can make every moment of my in game time devoted to a story I am starting...

What else is there? I don't think it comes down to 'plugging' our own events. It comes down to attendence. And we seem to take it personally when people don't attend our events, when perhaps we shouldn't. Bear in mind folks, it is just a game. Lots of things take precedent over a "game" and I don't think I would take it personally if people had to bail on an event that was supposed to happen on such and such a day.

But then again, that's just me.

[Ekade]

Hmmm...I don't think Hashum was implying that we scapegoat everyone else and not ourselves for a failed event. The way I read it was, "Hey my event bombed...I guess we (meanining myself included) could have done things better."

How does one "make" an event happen? To be honest, I think a person's ability in that capacity is severly limited. If I gm, what exactly can I do? Post time and location of an event well in advance. I can ask/inform others about a possible arc I wish to start. I can post backstory in the form of IC threads here on the boards. I can make every moment of my in game time devoted to a story I am starting...

What else is there? I don't think it comes down to 'plugging' our own events. It comes down to attendence. And we seem to take it personally when people don't attend our events, when perhaps we shouldn't. Bear in mind folks, it is just a game. Lots of things take precedent over a "game" and I don't think I would take it personally if people had to bail on an event that was supposed to happen on such and such a day.

But then again, that's just me.

Yes... if the question is.. "Why are there no non-cantina RP events". The Answer is "Nobody made it happen."

Everyone who has put effort into an event that bombed feels bad about it. You just have to let them vent. To ask people to not be upset about it is unrealistic. I am almost done venting.. so your suffering will be over soon.

Basically I want to say:
- If you think something should be improved, then make an effort to do so. Simply pointing out the problem will not solve it. It is not someone else's job.
- We should support eachother's events whenever possible.

[Hashum]

Well no offense but I disagree with you on this one. I can understand your frustration at having an event fall out with the Temple Ceramony last week but that's also a kind of specific group your targeting. I mean a character has to have an RP motivation to attend a religous ceramony. So don't take it too hard.

I don't think it is too hard to invent a justification to attend such a thing. My point was, if the gripe is about having nothing but cantina events.. then try supporting the non-cantina events.

Personally, my character would not participate in harldy any of the "rescue" events and such. I am a roleplayer. I am part of a community. I support my fellow roleplayers and their efforts to organize and execute events. As such, I make up a reason to be there, even if it is a stretch.

You may disagree, but I feel that as players we need to stretch our characters a little but to help eachother out.

But as to "Why don't we ever do <insert activity here>?" The answer is, "Because I never made it happen." that's definately not true. Many people have had the same kind of fall out you've had, at such events. And just as you mentioned its probably harder to hold such an event outside a cantina. So the lack of a particular activity is not because an "I" never made it happen. An "I" doesn't make aything happen. It takes "us" to do anything, Cantina events or Non-cantina events. And sometimes it's hard to find the "us" to do such things.

I'm sorry but I just take offense with that last line.

My attitude about events may differ from yours. If I want something to happen.. I can complain about it, and I often do, and hope it happens. If I REALLY want something to happen, I need to make it happen.

"We" are responsible for making things happen. My point was to make sure we point the finger at ourselves before we point it at other people. If someone is going to gripe about why something is NOT happening, I will gladly throw it back in their face and say, "What are YOU doing to make it happen?" To which they will put up or shut up.

I like problem solvers.

I simply think someone should have the option of discussing or ranting about something that is troubling them without having to take the blame for it. Dossk was simply expressing an opinion and was really looking for more information I think.

From his original post you can tell he was open to creating his own non-cantina based events such as this Jawa event he's talked about. However needed to know how to go about it. So in MHO it seems your trying to personalize and as you said point a finger. And I just don't think a finger needs to be pointed in any direction.

Although thank you for clarifing your first point about the temple. You do have a point there and I will personally try to make a larger effort of attending such events.

[Ekade]

Oops.. I have derailed the thread long enough...

I think the Bazaar idea is fantastic!! Not to get ahead of things, but this could be HUGE if we can pull it off. Possibly even becoming a regular thing.

This would be an awesome scene.. legitimate business, not-so legitimate business.. All sorts of colorful characters.

The only way to thwart and AFK spammer is to ignore them.. so encourage people to make liberal use of that feature.

The most appealing thing about this event is that everyone can easily find a place to fit in. The concept of the the bazaar is innately immersive.

[Novall]

OMG just thing...we could have an out-door CANTINA in this bizzare!

[Ekade]

OMG just thing...we could have an out-door CANTINA in this bizzare!

Oh.. that's a given. I find the air outside of cantinas to be highly toxic.

[Isleh]

The more you talk about it, the cooler I think your SWG "garage sale" would be really cool to attend. However, at first glance my biggest qualm about attending would be the "spam-esque" atmosphere.

I don't know about anyone else, but personally, when I see an afk spammer in a starport touting their wares, I ignore it. Not with the /addignore function, but visually. I reserve the uber-ignore for those who rapid fire spam their messages or are sitting there spamming emotes.

How would you try to eliminate that kind of aspect about an open air bazaar? While at the same time trying to deal with the mass visual confusion that an open air market would entail? I am intrigued by this.

Have you been to a rennisance faire? Think of how those vendors there act when you walk by...then apply a similar ruleset to the vendors at teh bizzare. Have them get people's attenetion using a sentence with the following: "Hay! Trando in the purple shirt...you need something a little more stylish?" or..."Hay...hornes! How bout you come over here and have a look at these premium weapons."

Anyhow, you get the idea. With the new pavillion perks ect, you can make a really kickass bizzare in the middle of nowhere

Oooo... can I buy a Turkey Leg and a Coke for $10.00?

Actually Dossk, I've been grinding ahd getting prizes for a scavenger hunt using those perks. Maybe we can work together and combine the two?

[Isleh]

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