Drugs and SWG?

[Skarr]

Personally if I could I would limit it to mature players only.

now how does SOE determine who is mature? lol...that's like asking them to determine which female characters are actually run by females

[Jerrel]

Oh and X'an man if you honestly believ it has to be shown in a MOVIE for it to exsist then there is no sex, no boats, no species beyond those shown in the movie including Chiss, no vast oceans, no Roi, no Lok, no Nym, no so on and so on. You get what I saying. And the Star Wars Data Bace is part of Lucas' offical Star Wars web sight, you dont get more cannon than that.

[X'an Shin]

Regardless of what's canon and what isn't...

It's raw hypocrisy to look down our noses at game-style drug use.

I just don't see the conflict here.

Well, it's easy to call it hypocrisy when you throw out (mostly my) argument for cannon. You can kill in the movies too, but not do drugs.

That's not hypocrisy. It's pure consistancy.

Moral issues? /shrug. I'm certainly not arguing on grounds of morality. Strictly "what is Star Wars."

[X'an Shin]

Oh and X'an man if you honestly believ it has to be shown in a MOVIE for it to exsist then there is no sex, no boats, no species beyond those shown in the movie including Chiss, no vast oceans, no Roi, no Lok, no Nym, no so on and so on. You get what I saying. And the Star Wars Data Bace is part of Lucas' offical Star Wars web sight, you dont get more cannon than that.

Nothing you mention, from sex to boats to Chiss to Lok makes this game any more compelling than if they didn't exist. Everything you've mentioned is mere icing on the core Star Wars elements, and even those core elements are lacking. What you've presented me is an argument for icing in which the cake has been largely ignored or forgotten about.

Adding more icing to the SWG cake doesn't make for a compelling recipe. It just makes for a plate full of icing. This game needs more cake. It needs more compelling core cannon content, not departures from that content.

When was the last time anyone cared about the Galactic Civil War? When was the last time anyone even gave a Stormtrooper a second glance? When was the last time anyone interfaced with Han or Leia or Luke or Vader?

Oceans and boats and rimworlds are not what should be making this game any fun.

As far as being more cannon than the Lucas website, ask Lucas himself what he considers to be cannon, and he'll answer with "my films."

Lucas has said in multiple interviews that only his films are cannon. NO expanded universe material, be it novels, RPGs, video games, toys, etc. will ever trump the movies as far as SW cannon goes. He reserves the right to contradict ANY expanded universe cannon with one of his films, as they trump all.

[Skarr]

mmmmm, cake and icing

[X'an Shin]

mmmmm, cake and icing

I knew Homer---er, I mean you would be able to boil this down to the core talking points.

;P

[Isleh]

Oh and X'an man if you honestly believ it has to be shown in a MOVIE for it to exsist then there is no sex, no boats, no species beyond those shown in the movie including Chiss, no vast oceans, no Roi, no Lok, no Nym, no so on and so on. You get what I saying. And the Star Wars Data Bace is part of Lucas' offical Star Wars web sight, you dont get more cannon than that.

Nothing you mention, from sex to boats to Chiss to Lok makes this game any more compelling than if they didn't exist. Everything you've mentioned is mere icing on the core Star Wars elements, and even those core elements are lacking. What you've presented me is an argument for icing in which the cake has been largely ignored or forgotten about.

Adding more icing to the SWG cake doesn't make for a compelling recipe. It just makes for a plate full of icing. This game needs more cake. It needs more compelling core cannon content, not departures from that content.

When was the last time anyone cared about the Galactic Civil War? When was the last time anyone even gave a Stormtrooper a second glance? When was the last time anyone interfaced with Han or Leia or Luke or Vader?

Oceans and boats and rimworlds are not what should be making this game any fun.

As far as being more cannon than the Lucas website, ask Lucas himself what he considers to be cannon, and he'll answer with "my films."

Lucas has said in multiple interviews that only his films are cannon. NO expanded universe material, be it novels, RPGs, video games, toys, etc. will ever trump the movies as far as SW cannon goes. He reserves the right to contradict ANY expanded universe cannon with one of his films, as they trump all.

Lucas himself put spice in the movies. You can't argue that point.

It's value and illegality is inferred by what also by what Lucas put in his films. Agreed?

[Jerrel]

And X'an my man this is after all a conversation of weather Jabe should use the concept in an event. No one is sayin the Dev's need to work on makin the effect of spice more realistic. Jade was just wonderin if he should jump into the idea of narcotics or if he and to a larger extent SWGTales should just avoid this as a rp idea and/or tool.

now how does EVIL SOE determine who is mature? lol...that's like asking them to determine which female characters are actually run by females

Well accually Skarr SOE would have nothing to do with this. I mean come on how often do they ever get involved in anything we run from here. I think "IF" we find there is some one here on Tales or with in our rp circles who just wouldn't be able to handle the "mature" content they we just don't tell him or her about the event that narcotice use would occure in.[/b]

[Rebecca]

Ever read the Han Solo books?
I'm sorry... but Spice is a very Real part of the Star Wars Culture.
If anyone told me that Rebecca couldn't light up a shisha of Ryl Spice in the Rhoba or anywhere else for that matter... I imagine she would quite promptly tell them where to shove it.
Also...
The deathstix scene. That was a cigarette? Give me a break.
That was a blatant attempt at a spice deal. Why would someone offer a random stranger the option of purchasing a VERY legal substance that if he was interested in... he could of purchased at the local corner store?
Roleplay should never have any limits.

...Especially when its actual game content.
Spice is made by Smugglers, spice is illegal, spice causes downers.
Why should we frown upon someone using in-game tools to create story?

Rebecca will continue to smoke her shisha. The "bong" like lootable item.
The item we saw Jabba puffing on in return of the jedi.

As far as someone roleplaying a "spice fiend." Someone addicted to something like Neutron. Well, I imagine that couldn't last very long. Someone would most likely intervene and try and help this person.

Playing the cracked out psychotic really doesn't do much for the advancement of your storyline. I'm sure even the newest roleplayers would learn that quickly enough.

I have a feeling that some of this anti-spice commentary comes from peoples real life feelings about real drugs. Some of them aren't all that bad... *evil grin*
Just because I don't approve of alcohol IRL doesn't mean we should open a debate about it... It also doesn't mean when I see someone taking a sip of their jawa juice at the Lucky Despot that I should openly flame them.

Do what you want to do folks. It's all in good fun.

[X'an Shin]

Lucas himself put spice in the movies. You can't argue that point.

It's value and illegality is inferred by what also by what Lucas put in his films. Agreed?

Sure, but stop confusing the matter. Jabe asked if DOING drugs was Okay.

I said DOING drugs isn't cannon. That's simply my opinion, I'm not arguing for Jabe to not have it as a central theme to his event. Jabe asked for opinions, and my opinion is that I wouldn't want it.

I've never said that spice isn't in the movies. DOING spice? Not in the movies, and that's been my point this entire time.

[X'an Shin]

Roleplay should never have any limits...Especially when its actual game content.

Have to disagree with you there.

How about I start throwing out human racial slurs? Maybe I should RP a child rapist and murderer character. What if I invented a character whose sole purpose was to hound you every minute you were logged into the game universe and annoy you?

I'd say there are certainly RP limits.

Especially when they disagree with game/SW content.

Look, I realize I'm in the vast minority here, and that I should probably just stop fighting what I consider to be the good fight. Like I said before, we have wookiee Imperials RPing on this board, there's Ties that have shields that can hyperspace, and there's more Jedi in this universe than you can shake a stick at. I've already lost the cannon debate. Sony lost that debate for me, and it's just one of MANY reasons why Lucas Arts gave them the heave-ho.

I have a feeling that some of this anti-spice commentary comes from peoples real life feelings about real drugs. Some of them aren't all that bad... *evil grin*

Since I'm the ONLY person here on the anti-spice-wagon, allow me to take your comment personally.

First, you're making a grand assumption here, and you know what they say about making asses out of the both of us.

I've done drugs. More than my fair share of them, and you know what? I kinda regret it. That being said, it has NOTHING to do with my position on them in this game. I think I've said the word CANNON more times than anyone should in a thread about using spice in an event, but since you evidently didn't read it the last 20 times I said it, I've put it in all caps, bolded it, and made it red so it stands out a bit more.

Just because I don't approve of alcohol IRL doesn't mean we should open a debate about it... It also doesn't mean when I see someone taking a sip of their jawa juice at the Lucky Despot that I should openly flame them.

I've never flamed anyone for doing spice or drinking in-game. Heck, my character is a MASTER SMUGGLER. I've made more of it than people have actually taken combined on this board just to reach Master. I've even taken a bunch of it in game, but not in character.

My point, just to reiterate for everyone here since the newcomers to the argument aren't reading the entire thread, is that there is NO reference in any of the movies to people taking spice, or at the very least a spice that is craftable in this game. Death sticks? Questionable, and not clear cut based on film cannon. Jabba's hooka? The burden of proof lies on those who would like to prove it was spice. Remember, only the films count as cannon.

I'm offically coming unhinged because everyone's trying to have an endaround run on my argument on film cannon. I've got Lucas on my side. You've got unofficial expanded universe on yours. I'm officially bowing out of this debate now, so you can continue to try and prove that the act of doing drugs is somehow Star Wars cannon.

It's unfair of me to continue this debate as I'm not currently playing the game, nor participating in Jabe's event. So, as unspitefully as I can say this (and truly, I mean zero spite by saying this), do as many drugs as you guys feel will further your story.

Have fun.

[Jabe Adaks]

/sigh

Don't bother replying, he's got a crown on for a reason...

Jabe

[X'an Shin]

/sigh

Don't bother replying, he's got a crown on for a reason...

LOL, I love you man, even when you make digs on me.

/hugs.

[Jabe Adaks]

/sigh

Don't bother replying, he's got a crown on for a reason...

LOL, I love you man, even when you make digs on me.

/hugs.

I just thought I would warn her. She is new in these parts..

Jabe

[Skarr]

I'd just like to point out if you read the definition of "death stick" it is no way a cigarette...it mostly comes in LIQUID form in a vile...


I think people have to realize the SWG represents very little in the "actual" sw universe, movies (which are cannon) and anything from the EU...

no one in the movies runs around cities in armor, with guns out ablazing

no one runs around with 3 sludge panthers attacking people

no one owns their own personal probot

no one gets "buffed" in the starport

no one goes to the medical center to get healed, only they can't because someone is healing someone doing backflips

no one dances or plays music in the front lobby of the cantina

no one has their own personal at-st

no one gets cloned and comes back when they die

no one solo kills krayts and kimos

no one flies a yt1300 and then can't adjust the shields unless he goes and sits in the seat next to him

no one in sw uses a katana to kill stuff

the only thing related to actual SW, is the name has Star Wars in it, and some of the characters are in it as npcs....that's it...end of story


so please, drug it up, don't drug it up...it doesn't matter either way



and now back to your discussion