RP PvP/Duel Etiquette Draft

[Isleh]

On the issue of city control....

well..yes and no... & Here some more food for thought:...

All these points require that the Storm Trooper in question to acknowledge that the Rebels control the city at the time. If the Storm Trooper does acknowledge that he is in a hostile city, then it would be good role-playing to act like it.

So why are we the only ones looking for conflict with the opposing side? If the rebels control the city, and you see me...why aren't you the one trying to duel me? You're a rebel. You think your fellow rebels would look kindly on you slinking away from the lone stormtrooper rather than shooting him?

Up until S&V, I was RPing a covert rebel smuggler dealing with the hutts and criminal factions to help route weapons and supplies through the criminal element. Sometimes, that meant dealing with Imperials who did not know who I was actually working for. That meant maintaining a neutral appearance even though that meant slinking away from a fight. It provided me a RP reason why I had to turn a blind eye to imperial combatants shooting rebels and not doing anything. That was until I blew my cover at S&V and I have been combatant ever since.

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Getting everyone on the same page in this book would be a big help. The scenario I posted was an example of two role-players with dramatically different base assumptions. "Who controls the city?". Both of the two players may be very good at role-playing but if their base assumptions are different, they are going to RP in a manner that contradicts the other's viewpoint and neither will find it enjoyable.

Unless they communicate. The problem is I think we enter into a RP situation and we're ready to go. We want to get into it and play out the scene and not get into a tell conversation. It's why we RP in small cliques because we know what the other's base assumptions are. They have already gone through what this discussion is attempting to do on a larger scale.

[Nyvveck]

Well, as Zo pointed out, if the Imperial is on leave, what is he doing wearing stormtrooper armor, and why could he arrest you anyway?

But, if that Imperial is combatant, the way in which he acknowledges the NPCs is simply by killing them when they attack him. Toront stated it earlier I believe. NPCs are meat shields. They are the lowly troopers you see in the films get killed in one shot.

As I've said, I am always combatant or SF. So, the NPCs are always affecting me. I may say that the planet is under our (the Imperials) control, because frankly, it would be. Look up in the sky. See those two star destroyers? Those are our power. Of course, there may be a short lived rebel military takeover of a town. When this happens, rebel NPCs will attack.

However, I have never seen an Imperial who was on leave bossing around people and scanning them. Personally, if he is on leave, he doesn't even have the authority to make an arrest. Of course, he CAN report it to active duty Imperials (such as me).

[Nyvveck]

Also, a point a forgot to make.

You say that the stormtrooper should understand that he is in hostile territory. And, I'll acknowledge the fact that I am in hostile territory by saying something like, "The citizens here don't seem to be too loyal.". However, in RP I know that I can call in a Lamda Shuttle at any time, and have a squad of stormtrooper come to attack the town/protect me.

And I think I should say this. In this game, NPCs arn't the pushers and movers in the galaxy. The players are. So forgive me if you disagree, but I regard NPC as trivial. They pose no threat. The players are the dangerous ones.

And on a side note, I still don't understand why anyone would disregard a duel challenge. I honestly do not. I am honestly asking for someone to give me an example (And PLEASE, keep in mind that a /duel is a last resort. You challenge me verbally, I argue for a moment, try to make you stand down, you refuse, I challenge you).

[Ekade]

Getting everyone on the same page in this book would be a big help. The scenario I posted was an example of two role-players with dramatically different base assumptions. "Who controls the city?". Both of the two players may be very good at role-playing but if their base assumptions are different, they are going to RP in a manner that contradicts the other's viewpoint and neither will find it enjoyable.

This is a huge problem to tackle.

What is "cannon"? The movies, or the game? One can't say both, because thay are mutually exclusive. According to the movies, there are no Jedi and the Rebels would never control Mos Eisley. According to the game, Jedi are more common than normal people and the Empire is being dominated by the Rebellion.


Should we even bother thinking about factional NPC city control? As a SW purist, I say no. I don't want my galaxy dictated to me by the actions of people who have never even seen the movies. Mos Eisley will always be a neutral city with minimal imperial presence. This keeps us from having to worry about the daily, and arbitraty fluctuations of NPC cities.

The Lucky Despot is Lady Valarian's place.. and while inside, THAT is what we should be considering. Would she welcome a troupe of imperial thugs in her cantina? Would she just sit back and let them have their run of the place? Would imperial thugs, or any other sort of bully even be willing to risk their lives by entering such a place? I don't have the answer to that, but those are the sorts of realities we should be debating.

Is it realistic to say that anyone with a weapon can brazenly go anywhere in the galaxy and threaten anyone they want without fear of reprisal from the local authority? The way most people play suggest they think the answer is yes.

Star Wars is very much like the wild west, but there is also a degree of civilization and law that must be considered. I guess what I am saying is that there is a time and place for "thuggery". You need to consider what will come storming into a particular venue if a fight breaks out.

[Nyvveck]

Yes, I agree with most of what you said Ekade, however I would like to make a point.

The Lucky Despot is Lady Valarian's place. Now, I doubt she would like a group of Imperials to be wandering around inside her cantina. But, as I stated, the PLAYERS are the force in the galaxy. If someone feels that Imperials do not belong in the Despot, remove them...the hard way. As an Imperial, I should not be the only one who is fighting. Zo made this point before.

Now, I understand that the Despot is a somewhat less lawful event. Whenever I go there, I am protected by my stormtrooper, Arnir, as well has usally have Toront around for further protection. So, would Nyvveck go to the Despot? Of course he would, if he feels that he is helping the Emperor.

I find it intersting that you talk about civilization and law. I by no means consider Nyvveck a thug, far from it. He is a well mannered man who is basicly nice, when not discussing politics.

And on the subject of threatening people without fear of reprisal...well, that is what we are trying to do something about here.

[toront]

I was thinking a while back that due to their beliefs the Temple might be the only RP rebel guild.

The beliefs of the Temple do not agree with Imperial ideology. We could be a rebel guild.. but I think a "good rebel RP guild" is one that you would never know they were rebel.

Known rebels are dead rebels.

I do wish there was a military-style rebel RP guild... like a special forces sort of thing. This would be a great place for the combat-minded RP'ers to play. We have a good number of bounty-hunters and smuggler-types in the community, but scarcely any Imperials and even fewer true military-style Rebels. Maybe those roles are just not that compelling, I don't know. Maybe it has just never been tried. Personally, I thing either of those would be very interesting.

Sorry for being a little off-topic. I will respond to the meat of the subject shortly.

Alonzo and I have actually had discussions of splitting TTF into seperate sides of the conflict, having our Rebel members become a more militaristic rebel force while the imperials we have continue as we have been. Even without splitting the guild, just doing this in an RP sense, it's been considered since we really feel the lack of a hard-nosed, special forces Rebel RP guild.

I had hoped that perhaps MCI would fill this void, but they seemed too caught up in /emote battles or scripted endings (for example, at one point they asked our guards to "lay down" so they could remove a prisoner from our prison, the excuse for no fight to get him out was that it would ruin weeks of storyline, which none of us was ever told about when the scene bagan). Then other stuff happened and essentially, outside of a few members, TTF has nothing to do with MCI.

A little off topic, but this is still a good thread to point out the lack of Rebel support in our little RP community.

[Ekade]

Is there a way to set up a macro that will respond to a /duel so that it makes you automatically accept it?

I remember reading about some guy who wrote an elaborate macro that would cause his toon to respond to certain words with certain actions. He quite literally could turn his toon into a bot. I am not saying we need to go that far.. but leverage something like that to accept /duel.

Isleh? I know you know all this stuff.


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At the very least.. when issuing a challenge perhaps we can use macros like this (I notice tells a lot easier than system messages)

/tell %TT This is an RP duel in case the scene takes a violent turn. The agreed upon RP conventions will be honored. Type '/duel Ekade' to accept. ;
/duel %TT;


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Lastly, does anyone know if there is a way to /endduel everyone you are currently duelled with? Does something like "/endduel all" work?

In the chaos of a mass combat, it is too easy to get 3 incaps. I want to be able to /endduel everyone and go prone to reflect my incapped state.

[Viceroy Odantis]

Well, just to make a quick...near off topic...point

I think the problem is, EVERYONE tries so hard to be different...they end up being the same...i'm reminded of (no offense to anyone) 16 years olds shopping at hot topic. Talking about "shallow preps" who spend $120 on Nike shoes, however turn around and spend $75 on a pair of ripped up jeans with flames down the side.

See...everyone wants to be that cool criminal "answers to no one but himself" and 9 times out of ten, despite what they would tell you they always wanna rp him as having a heart of gold. They wanna be Han Solo, and have their Leia win them over.

I have to believe though, that between all the "Empire killed my parents, personal friend of Boba Fett, shady criminals" someone would get bored and wanna be a rebel marine.

Part of the problem is, we are players, we are inherently "different", so people try to stand out...for people like me, i see 800 people a day trying to stand out, it gets old.

See....call me silly but i wish I could be IN trade-sec...sure i can make an alt...but everyone knows its me, and even though the rp tries to ignore that...people know its me. I wanna follow orders, i wanna fit in, i wanna be rank-in-file. I wanna be one tiny piece of the puzzle. I dunno maybe that's just me. Here's a quick way to put how i feel about some "issues" in rp in general:


Alonzo Odantis Background:

This powerful individual is part of a secret cult that harnesses the power of force crystals in ways jedi could never dream. The emperor himself is a mere glimpse of what this cult holds. Alonzo was the strongest of his cult as well.

Now...it took NOTHING to write that. I dind't have to prove anything, i didn't earn it. Are you gonna be happy if i roll into town and EXPECT you to react to my character as per my bio? No, i have a feeling i'd get ignored or mocked pretty quick. That's my problem with emote fighting and using text backgrounds to make yourself a god....

Here's one i hate....

after a fight, you emote putting a blaster to someone's head...ok you just lost a duel, a fight, you lost, could have been killed you are at this person's mercy both IC and OOC. Know why i'm hesitant if not flat out afraid to do this? Because in the 50 times i've probably done a situation like this, 48 times the person uses /emote to knock the gun away, or a friend comes up and does the same to me and its like "if you'd really walk over like that, i'd shoot your friend, please don't force me to be lame by going /emote pulls the trigger" i mean...i refuse to let their rp force me into being an emote-killer. I'm reminded of a time i was on an alt, and abducted ekade...i thought it was done well..i acted like a starstruck fan, she bought it (ego-tistical dancers, you know i love em lol j/k) we went outside to "talk" and she humored me like a kid meeting their favorite baseball player. I asked her to look out at the sunset..she did...i cracked her skull with my gun. Now, this is emote fighting in one sense. But before you go calling me a hypocrite, ekade is non combat anyway so a duel would be pointless, plus it was a big burly trando and a little female dancer....more detials but just gimme benefit of the doubt that it was a clear scenario there of catching her offguard which is some emote fighting is fine for, IMO...ANYWAY

So ekade is laying there prone, i call my bike and emote putting her on it (man offer ride woulda been nice back then) and MAGICALLY, 50 people pour out of the roba to investigate..no blaster was fired...it was a noisy cantina inside, this was out back not even in front. The only reason people came out was because we all know spatial ignores LOS rules (be nice if it didn't for rp's sake) in other words even inside people could see my emotes outside. Now....i have a gun to her head, she's passed out. She's on my bike tied down. One guy gets right in my face and challenges me toa duel. I sent him a tell "ok i'll accept but, i'm also gonan duel ekade and i'm gonna shoot her first" well that wasn't acceptable....ok now 2 other people start emoting crawling up behind to untie her..at this point i pull out a launcher pistol...suppsoed to be an AOE gun right? I threaten to kill me and her both if they don't back off...they keep getting in my face..they were BEGGING for /emote shoots ekade, and here i was forced into a situation that went from fun to annoying and stupid. Ekade even thought so at the time, and i assume looking back she'd still agree. So i guess the overall point....emote fighting can ruin rp too, and in my opinion A LOT faster than non-emote duelling. When using emotes, i try to let peopel have "outs", many don't and this annoys me.

/emote aims his gun at alonzo, trying to keep him pinned down

that would make me hide under my table, i'd accept that.

/emote shoots alonzo in the head with a stun setting, knocking him out

WILL NOT be accepted.

something i learned quickly back in mud days....you don't emote anything DIRECT to another person. You can /emote throws a right hook you can't /emote punches alonzo with a right hook. Because what if i want to dodge? but as mentioned, with no "emote pool" there's no end, and people aren't goign to lose most times.


Kinda a long post from what i intended, but severla points kinda worked their way in this time.

[Ekade]

General rules:

- Participating roleplayers should accept duels from other roleplayers. Non-participating roleplayers should adhere to common sense conventions (i.e. do not slap imperial officers and hide behind game mechanics to avoid reprisals).

- Do not DB. Incapped players may request a DB if they desire, perhaps avoid a TEF.

- Do not break peoples "stuff" (vehicles, non-combat droids, etc).


Common sense:

- Some sort of RP interaction should preceed an attack. This ensures both sides are at least at the keyboard and paying attention.

- Over use and abuse of the RP-duel system will turn people off to it. Repeatedly killing an unarmed, unarmored, and unbuffed CL 54 (or less) entertainer with your armed, armored, and fully buffed band of 7 CL 80's may be fun for you, but it is not fun for the other person.
Let's not have the conversation in a few months that, "Hey, don't blame me for the system not working. I can't help it if we are just that awesome and the rest of you aren't."

- Don't talk trash. It's immature and shows poor sportsmanship. There are many reasons why you may have won or lost. In a game like this, player skill is rarely a significant factor PvP success. You did not win, your template/weapon/numerical advantage did. So don't act like your greatness had anything to do with it. It only breeds ill will and frustration.

- If you call in "reinforcements", try to make sure they are willing to follow the ideals of RP common sense. The idea here is to maintain a sense of immersion, not to "win".

- If you are incapped, or DB'd, RP the effects of it accordingly. You don't magically and instantaneously regenerate, even if you are a jedi.

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This is my first stab at it based on the ideas already discussed. Comments? Anything out of line? Anything missing?

[Ekade]

I'm reminded of a time i was on an alt, and abducted ekade...i thought it was done well..i acted like a starstruck fan, she bought it (ego-tistical dancers, you know i love em lol j/k) we went outside to "talk" and she humored me like a kid meeting their favorite baseball player. I asked her to look out at the sunset..she did...i cracked her skull with my gun. Now, this is emote fighting in one sense. But before you go calling me a hypocrite, ekade is non combat anyway so a duel would be pointless, plus it was a big burly trando and a little female dancer....more detials but just gimme benefit of the doubt that it was a clear scenario there of catching her offguard which is some emote fighting is fine for, IMO...ANYWAY

So ekade is laying there prone, i call my bike and emote putting her on it (man offer ride woulda been nice back then) and MAGICALLY, 50 people pour out of the roba to investigate..no blaster was fired...it was a noisy cantina inside, this was out back not even in front. The only reason people came out was because we all know spatial ignores LOS rules (be nice if it didn't for rp's sake) in other words even inside people could see my emotes outside. Now....i have a gun to her head, she's passed out. She's on my bike tied down. One guy gets right in my face and challenges me toa duel. I sent him a tell "ok i'll accept but, i'm also gonan duel ekade and i'm gonna shoot her first" well that wasn't acceptable....ok now 2 other people start emoting crawling up behind to untie her..at this point i pull out a launcher pistol...suppsoed to be an AOE gun right? I threaten to kill me and her both if they don't back off...they keep getting in my face..they were BEGGING for /emote shoots ekade, and here i was forced into a situation that went from fun to annoying and stupid. Ekade even thought so at the time, and i assume looking back she'd still agree. So i guess the overall point....emote fighting can ruin rp too, and in my opinion A LOT faster than non-emote duelling. When using emotes, i try to let peopel have "outs", many don't and this annoys me.

I enjoyed that scene up until the point when everyone came out. At that point it became a free for all. A free for all never works and should be avoided.

I was hoping you would just drag me away and turn the scene into something managable. You dallied and allowed it to become an emote battle.


/emote fighting needs a GM and some sort of turn-based system to ensure fairness. Otherwise it is just a battle of BS. Mass /emote combat is just not going to work when every player is also the self-appointed GM.

[Illbleed]

Yes roleplaying is suppose to be fun. But it's suppose to be fun for everyone. And when someone starts spouting against the Empire then they do need to expect a fight in these types of scenarios.

There are basic manners that should be followed just like there are in real life. You don't see someone go spouting off in a restraunt about their waiter and the owner of the store and not see them get kicked out very often. That's because the establishment needs to respect the rights of the other patrons. As far as I'm concerned these rough idea's are simply trying to do the same in SWG.

I for one am all for these, they're very fair, and it's not interfering directly with anyone's RP. If it does it's probably because the person is really interfering with the RP event in general by being a pain in the rump.

I know I promised I would not discuss this issue any further in public threads but I feel I must clarify my position. No where in any of my posts have I said that bad roleplay should be allowed. If you look back on my posts, you'll see that. My point was that by setting up a list of roleplaying rules it turns alot of folks off to roleplaying in general. From reading in later posts, I see that this is being presented as more of a guide and not "rules". I agree with this totally. I do not encourage or endorse bad roleplay. However, I do not agree with anyone telling me or anyone else how to roleplay. This was how my statements were intended. I'm sorry if that created any confusion.

[Isleh]

For the record. Nyvveck, Alonzo, Toront and everyone else in TTF. I really appreciate the role you have chosen to play.

Also, a point a forgot to make.

You say that the storm trooper should understand that he is in hostile territory. And, I'll acknowledge the fact that I am in hostile territory by saying something like, "The citizens here don't seem to be too loyal.". However, in RP I know that I can call in a Lambda Shuttle at any time, and have a squad of storm trooper come to attack the town/protect me.

See... who says you can call a Lambda? You and only you. Well, I see your Lambda and call in two X-wings to shoot it down before it arrives? After all, rebels are in control of the town and who's to say the rebels don't have ships nearby to protect the city from such a thing?

This is not right. This is my point. It's emote dueling on a grander scale. It's meta gaming.

And I think I should say this. In this game, NPCs aren't the pushers and movers in the galaxy. The players are. So forgive me if you disagree, but I regard NPC as trivial. They pose no threat. The players are the dangerous ones.

NPCs can be the movers and shakers. If Boba Fett, Vader, Palatine show up and some player tries to fight them. I would be VERY disappointed if those NPCs didn't own that player, that player's friends, that players neighbors, their dog, the neighbors dogs, ...

Also, do you consider assaulting a city all by yourself and pwning the town good RP? You first say you need to call in back up and then you say the forces mean nothing. Any level 80 player can stroll through a town and own it. Doesn't make it good RP. It makes comedy.

Ben Kenobi "These aren't the droids you're.... awww F it."
<<<<<WOOOSH.... HUMMMMM.... CRACKLE>>>>>
Luke impatiently taps his foot and occasionally checking his crono as Ben clears out Mos Eisley of every storm trooper. He's beating out a drum solo on the dash of his speeder when Ben finally returns.
<<<WOOoooosh.....>>>
Silently, Luke glares at Ben.
Ben Kenobi "I'm sorry... where were we?"

Comedy.

And on a side note, I still don't understand why anyone would disregard a duel challenge. I honestly do not. I am honestly asking for someone to give me an example (And PLEASE, keep in mind that a /duel is a last resort. You challenge me verbally, I argue for a moment, try to make you stand down, you refuse, I challenge you).

Understand, I try not to emote fight. I have been scanned by Imperial players and I have always complied and RPed along every time. I avoid duels and only do so as a last resort or what I see as the last resort.

BUT

Yes there are star destroyers hovering overhead. But at the time, the rebels control the city and those rebel troopers have far more sustenance then those star destroyers. To me, Imperial players choosing to ignore that, to play like they own the city when the don't, is bad RP. I don't care if the troopers pose no real threat on either side. To me, it's just as ridicules as a single level 80 rebel assaulting Bestine. It's just as ridicules as me strolling through Bestine. I don't care that the Storm Troopers in Bestine pose no real threat to me. I avoid it like the plague because it is an Imperial controlled city. If I *have* to go through Bestine, I do so as discreetly as possible.

If I'm in Eisley and the town is controlled by rebels and a storm trooper walks up to me and asks to see my identification, I will almost defiantly comply and play along. I will immerse myself in *his* version of what is going on Gorath for both our enjoyment. As soon as I walk away, back to mine.

friend comes up and does the same to me and its like "if you'd really walk over like that, i'd shoot your friend, please don't force me to be lame by going /emote pulls the trigger" i mean...i refuse to let their rp force me into being an emote-killer.

Color me guilty. I just want to point out that if a guide like this existed, it probably wouldn't of happened. Live and learn. I also want to point out that if you had emoted pulling the trigger. I would have too. ;)

[Viceroy Odantis]

See though..if you are saying "bad rping shouldn't be allowed" you are essentially setting a rule saying "No bad rp"

the thing is that's very generic...we're just trying to iron out what defines that.

Let's define something else too while we're at it:

People keep saying "i don't want to be told how to roleplay"

Well, are you going to tell me that saying "LOL ROFLCOPTER! I PWNED J00" isn't rp? I would hope so, and in that respect then you'd be telling me how to rp:

RP is about immersion. That's the point. Rp "styles" are more like how to handle situations within RP, but rp is fairly well defined. Its acting In character, in an immersive universe, ignoring the OOC world.

[Illbleed]

I give up. I thought by clarifying my earlier posts it would cut down on the confusion.

Instead I'm really getting pissed off getting slammed on this and my post being singled out. I'm going to step away.

ILL

[Viceroy Odantis]

See... who says you can call a Lambda? You and only you. Well, I see your Lambda and call in two X-wings to shoot it down before it arrives? After all, rebels are in control of the town and who's to say the rebels don't have ships nearby to protect the city from such a thing?

This is not right. This is my point. It's emote dueling on a grander scale. It's meta gaming.

Quick technicality here: Metagaming = using OOC info to change the way you RP. This would be talking shit to the CL 1 because you can see he's a CL 1 and know he cna't kill you. Thinking you can call in backup isn't this...it would be possibly metagaming if he really COULD in the game somehow but his character shouldn't know this, but the player does so therefore he's not worried.

NPCs can be the movers and shakers. If Boba Fett, Vader, Palatine show up and some player tries to fight them. I would be VERY disappointed if those NPCs didn't own that player, that player's friends, that players neighbors, their dog, the neighbors dogs, ...

Yes, these character can, i think we can separate Darth Vader from "a frightened rebel recruit". I'm not going up to boba fett and ignoring him or jabba. Here's a "Did you know": The strength of the NPCs is relative to how much that side is winning the war...if the score is like 600-100, those npcs would be 94 elites. So no, the idea that a lev 80 should respect the lev 19 npcs even NAMED "frightened" or "frail" and such, is kinda silly. if you want this kinda presence...go to teh towns like theed currently that has lev 55 elite rebs, sure still 25 levels down, but elites, and they are a definite "problem". I am sorry, my character IS stronger than "bob" the frightened rebel soldier. In the movies we see luke (pre-badass jedi) and han tkaing out TONS of stormtroopers. I would call those the cl 30's and i hardly would be afraid of THAT. I respect th npcs by being combatant, they open fire on me. If the rebels were in GOOD control, that would keep me out because the npcs would be tough, but when teh rebels are winning by just enough to spawn lev 19 non elites...no, i'm not gonna fear them, and i wouldn't expect anything less. I would come in armor, with friends and proceed to help my side take their city back.

Yes there are star destroyers hovering overhead. But at the time, the rebels control the city and those rebel troopers have far more sustenance then those star destroyers. To me, Imperial players choosing to ignore that, to play like they own the city when the don't, is bad RP. I don't care if the troopers pose no real threat on either side. To me, it's just as ridicules as a single level 80 rebel assaulting Bestine. It's just as ridicules as me strolling through Bestine. I don't care that the Storm Troopers in Bestine pose no real threat to me. I avoid it like the plague because it is an Imperial controlled city. If I *have* to go through Bestine, I do so as discreetly as possible.

Here again, the Empire is arrogant. Where in the movies did you see them ever admit defeat? admit lack of control? If i came alone, or 2-3 of us versus 50 rebels, i'd say "ok we're dumb" but it would only be BAD RP, IF and only IF IMO, we don't accept duels from the 50 rebs. Nyvveck's lambda shuttle? that's me, toront, malchiah, arnir, etc. He wouldn't emote invisible npcs to his aid. But if I show up, with 6 other players, each with 2 ST pets, that's a nice elite squad. Now if you want your rebs to save you? call in backup...the rebels are doing damn well in the gcw..there's a reason, there are TONS more rebels non-rp and rp....and obviously there are more neutral/rebel rpers than neutral/imp (both neutrals implying would lean to that side ina fight), so call in backup. If the town is strongly controlled (reb elites of lev 60ish or more....then jump us at the right time, and it'd be much easier to overcome us if we gotta deal with those rebs as well.

Color me guilty. I just want to point out that if a guide like this existed, it probably wouldn't of happened. Live and learn. I also want to point out that if you had emoted pulling the trigger. I would have too. ;)

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I was more implying the trigger would have been pulled before i ever let you get behind me, and put the gun there. you did have to walk past him, behind me, and then put it to my head. Ask toront and nyvv what was being said on teamspeak if ya don't believe me hehe "Ok i'm gonna hold oeree prisoner...ok here comes isleh...she's getting closer....and she's starting to walk behind me...well she's gonna put a gun to my head....and yep there it is" lol now it seems like i said a lot there, but its easy to say that over voice then type something to stop you...another issue of mine with emote fighting...i type damn fast...but even i can't possibly type anything worthwhile to "stop" anyone from doing an action. If 2 guards are standing there and you "make a break" i can barely type /duel and target you before you are out of gun range much less type something like /emote aims his weapon at isleh (for examples sake not trying to call you out) and yell "Freeze, or i'll shoot"