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Rangers do use bio-sig. It is how they set up their mines, and their sensors. Read the information that SOE has given on rangers for more in depth reasons.

DuoXDuoX wrote:actually no a ranger doesnt use bio sigs. They track like a tracker from the 1800's they arent modern.

A ranger is basicly the redneck of the swg world. They can skin a rancor, they can run a trot line , and a ranger will surivive , a ranger will suuuuuurviiiiiive.

Wow somone needs to rememeber they dont play anymore...Bye

KirtViza wrote:

Viceroy Odantis wrote:i think e-bo is just worried the jedi god-mode is gonna kick in


Jedi: "You will come with us"

Mark: "but i don't want to, you'll have to kill me"

Jedi waves hand, "You want to come with us"

Mark: ....this sucks

/agree

Ranger's tracking is the same as BH. They use Bio-sigs.-hashum, but A Smuggler uses connection's...talks to people ask's questions same as I do. I couldnt track Ekade the other night till I talk with fedaykin andhe gave me the Cords. OMG IM A MBH AND I DIDNT USE FINDFRIEND THAT TIME!! I must be a Haxor

Again I don't see how we're asking to be any different. I'm not saying we don't need to use contacts, that we don't need to talk to anyone and can just go around sensing people anywhere we want to at any time.

And either way it doesn't matter if Ranger's use Bio-Sig's I was just making a point that any elite profession (nearly) can create some argument as to how or why they should be able to track someone down. And I don't see anyone giving ranger's or smugglers a problem so I don't understand why it's such a big deal.

Not once have I ever sent a /tell <name> I am using the Force to sense your location send WP

Or some crap like that. And I don't think any Jedi here would. In fact I think I even agreed with your original statement on how the whole thing should work so why do you have a problem with it now?

The thing is at some point AFTER getting help from other character's or informants there does need to be a way to track down the last few kilometer's to the person your seeking for whatever reason. And given certain information and situations and distance "sensing" could be used.

What exactly about this is so I-WIN button?

I say that the strength of the personal connection determins the strength of the ability to locate someone along with the willingness to be located.

No one can argue these points.

When Luke was hanging on the underside of cloud city and called out to Leia, She knew percicely where he was.

Luke: "Ben... Leia.... hear me."
Leia: *bing, AOL Voice* you've got waypoint.
Ben: *inbox full*

How did Luke know they were in Cloud City to begin with?

So locating someone with the force can be done, or more accuratly, giving your location away. It was key plot points in the movies. Leia was not hiding from Luke and very possibably called to Luke when she was being interogated. Hence Luke's vision.

So the conditions of the how need to be agreed upon.

Isleh wrote:I say that the strength of the personal connection determins the strength of the ability to locate someone along with the willingness to be located.

No one can argue these points.

When Luke was hanging on the underside of cloud city and called out to Leia, She knew percicely where he was.

Luke: "Ben... Leia.... hear me."
Leia: *bing, AOL Voice* you've got waypoint.
Ben: *inbox full*

How did Luke know they were in Cloud City to begin with?

So locating someone with the force can be done, or more accuratly, giving your location away. It was key plot points in the movies. Leia was not hiding from Luke and very possibably called to Luke when she was being interogated. Hence Luke's vision.

So the conditions of the how need to be agreed upon.

I do use this... but here are the limitations I use...

Most of my character interaction has been with Temple and we've been through enough that I can 'sense' when they are near. Batty, more than Vreese, can pick up on some surface thoughts.

But as far as using it for locating someone or talking both ways... really only Batty has developed this with Isleh so far because of a strong emotional bond between the two and Weyune.

I'd stress that RP or Templated Jedi simply use some extreme moderation with it. I've even tried to tone down on exactly what Batty is able to read in surface thoughts... sometimes slipping up and reacting to a thought; This can be very dangerous for Jedi/Force Users.

Again, relating this to tracking though, like all 'God Mode' powers a Jedi gets to use in the movies... I'd say just set some limits for yourself. And know that there are ways around everything. While it may not be feasible to use those little force blocking snakes to hide someone from a known Jedi connection.... perhaps a plot can assume that the person has spent millions of credits on a Force blocking cage. The items do exist in expanded universe but would be very very rare... but, so should we be as well.

Thought this might add some incite.

Isleh wrote:I say that the strength of the personal connection determins the strength of the ability to locate someone along with the willingness to be located.

No one can argue these points.

When Luke was hanging on the underside of cloud city and called out to Leia, She knew percicely where he was.

Luke: "Ben... Leia.... hear me."
Leia: *bing, AOL Voice* you've got waypoint.
Ben: *inbox full*

How did Luke know they were in Cloud City to begin with?

So locating someone with the force can be done, or more accuratly, giving your location away. It was key plot points in the movies. Leia was not hiding from Luke and very possibably called to Luke when she was being interogated. Hence Luke's vision.

So the conditions of the how need to be agreed upon.

I don't have a problem with that I'm just saying making it variable for each person based on your connection is a bit complicated. Simplicity is usually easier.

Hense two types of Scenario's if character you're searching for is a Jedi connection doesn't matter because there is a concentration of the Force around the person. This can only be used to 'sense' someone if on the same planet as the other Jedi. Obvious other methods are required to get to that point. Heck maybe half a planet range I don't care. You then use the same Macro as tracking BH's.

second type is a non-Jedi if you don't know the person you're SoL, if you are famliar with the person go to Macro from BH's. If you want to vary the timer based on 'familiarity' that can be arranged between the two when setting up the macro's.

As to Batty's point's on surface thoughts again i refer to my earlier where I defined an excellent method prepared by Yala which eliminates the need for that as the person who's mind you're 'reading' tells you exactly what you're able to read and then your reaction should be expected. This avoids most if not all of the problems associated with that.

In terms of "blocking" such things, I believe I read somewhere about non Jedi using neural disruptors or something like that....or I could have just dreamed that up too lol.

Btw, I liked the whole "Ben: *Inbox full*" rofl

I still think it comes down to letting someone find you with the force than the other way around.

Else, how else can the Sith lord stand in front of the Jedi council and not set off the warning beacons? Palpitine was in Corscant with the entire Jedi council. They knew the Sith were active. Yoda and Palpitine ( and probably the rest of the council ) most likely interacted with each other regularly on a daily basis. Yet he remained hidden.

yeah even dath maul used seekers to track ppl. So wouldnt that mean anyone could rp using seekers ?

Isleh wrote:I still think it comes down to letting someone find you with the force than the other way around.

Else, how else can the Sith lord stand in front of the Jedi council and not set off the warning beacons? Palpitine was in Corscant with the entire Jedi council. They knew the Sith were active. Yoda and Palpitine ( and probably the rest of the council ) most likely interacted with each other regularly on a daily basis. Yet he remained hidden.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. But in EU I do believe they give an explanation as to why Palpantine was able to decieve the Jedi.

I don't remember the exact reasoning used in the EU but I know it was pre-ROTS. The ROTS version was Palpatine kicked all kind of ass and the jedi had their heads to buried in the sand to see it.

I am not sure the exhaustive evaluation of the plausibility of every conceivable means of locating someone is really going to get us anywhere.. though the SW-geek in my enjoys the discussion.


Perhaps we just say this:

- Don't operate in God-Mode
- Come to an agreement on a tracking method with your hunter
- Be fair
- Use common sense

DuoXDuoX wrote:yeah even dath maul used seekers to track ppl. So wouldnt that mean anyone could rp using seekers ?

Darth Vader also had to hire bounty hunters 'cause he couldn't. In either characters case, I don't think any player has enough skill points to recreate those characters. If I would recreate Darth Maul in SWG, Teras Kasi Master as well as a Jedi Master. Probably had the investigation line of BH as well, Maybe Master BH. So, yes. It can be done, just not by the characters the players get to play.

But this statement cuts both ways. If Darth Maul could track by using the force. Why did he need seekers?

Hashum wrote:

Isleh wrote:I still think it comes down to letting someone find you with the force than the other way around.

Else, how else can the Sith lord stand in front of the Jedi council and not set off the warning beacons? Palpitine was in Corscant with the entire Jedi council. They knew the Sith were active. Yoda and Palpitine ( and probably the rest of the council ) most likely interacted with each other regularly on a daily basis. Yet he remained hidden.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. But in EU I do believe they give an explanation as to why Palpantine was able to decieve the Jedi.

I would think that force tracking would work more along the lines of the person you are tracking willing that they be found. Supporting the reason why Darth Maul had to resort to seekers and why Leia was able to find Luke so fast with fighters in hot pursuit.

Ekade wrote:I am not sure the exhaustive evaluation of the plausibility of every conceivable means of locating someone is really going to get us anywhere.. though the SW-geek in my enjoys the discussion.


Perhaps we just say this:

- Don't operate in God-Mode
- Come to an agreement on a tracking method with your hunter
- Be fair
- Use common sense

and supporting this because both parties have to be in agreement.

Ekade wrote:I am not sure the exhaustive evaluation of the plausibility of every conceivable means of locating someone is really going to get us anywhere.. though the SW-geek in my enjoys the discussion.


Perhaps we just say this:

- Don't operate in God-Mode
- Come to an agreement on a tracking method with your hunter
- Be fair
- Use common sense

I'm inclined to agree that everything we need to apply to find friend either stims from or can be directly applied to these simply little tools if you will. I'm all for... keep it simple.