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toront wrote:I am just so sick of seeing people leech on to the Rebel machine and then begin to consider themselves great. With the way deathblows are and healing, anything larger than a group double your size becomes a brick wall. You're lucky if you even manage to chip away at it. I am always one for a challenge, but the word implies that there is a possibility of winning. 30rebs vs 8imps is not a challenge, it's an impossibility.


As for bases, Special Forces GCW bases are ridiculous tough. Imagine a base that is essentially filled with 10 NK-Necrosis and 20 of his guards, all of which respawn every 5mins. lvl 95s and 88s are all that fill the high end special forces bases. You need a crew of around 16 people plus the slicer to even have a chance. At that point, one overt could come running in and probably take the entire group.

PvE bases become boring after you drop 2-3 in a row and PvP bases are more about killing the NPCs than players Finding a large enough group to take a PvP base down is pretty much impossible right now for the Imperials. Hopefully a new mega-Imperial guild will be able to change this as PvP and the GCW is in a difficult state for us right now.

I was going to post this in Mouse Gear's thread as a reply but realized I would be jacking it so I self modded it to here.


Its always been my perception that while the GCW balance is clearly in the hands of the rebel majority what the server needs is a true rebel RP guild. All the good rp based groups I see would in old school A D & D terms be aligned N, NE, or CN. TTF is a great guild that serve as a strong supporter for the Empire, MERCS and MidCo seem to be fine examples of neutrality through commerce, be it a by deed or in the form of traded goods. Where is the organized rebel RP?

I would love to see a welldone rebel force. They would not have to be l33t pvp'ers, but to represent that side of the equation as well as I think TTF represents the opposite side and the way the entrepeneurs hold down
the middle. We have a lot of creative and talented folks here so maybe this is something we might see well done in the future. I know I for one would love such an entity if it were to come to pass. Despite the relative dearth of rebel roleplay here I think its something that can be quite enjoyable. I think though that people as a general rule find it easier to play villains,, opportunists, or anti-heroes.

There was an old Dragon magazine article focusing a lot of roleplaying paladins called "Good Isn't Stupid", well it sometimes is thats to be sure but it doesn't have to be and it can be a lot of fun. Keeping it in a comic theme for analogies Good doesn't have to be as dark as the Punisher or whichever version of Batman they are writing now nor does it have to be as "whitebread" as Superman or Captain America. I think that there can be as many shades of grey contained within those fighting for "Good" as there traditonally are seen within the badguys.

I will close this by saying I would love to give a group like that a chance should one ever arise within our community. I hope that someone will give it a shot as the rebels need to be represented by more then just the hordes of rebel jedi, rebel BH's, and rebel anti-template pvp'ers that seem to be everywhere on Gorath. There are a myriad of different organizational models to choose from just as there are for the other guys,
Good isn't stupid, its just nodded off and is in a really deep REM filled sleep.

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In my honest opinion... your 'best' Rebel Guilds are going to be unseen but hit hard! In a sense these are going to be Guilds that primarily interact among themselves for the most part and do things like destroy Imperial Bases while doing their best to hide their own... Perhaps even using Imperial players to Infiltrate Imperial guilds.

There was a guild I observed a lot on Ahazi when I started out there... They were all Rebels and would hang out in Anchorhead. They'd do all of their planning there go covert to RP in Eisley and send their Imperial spys out to find out 'when' an attack on their bases we're going to happen. As dishonest as this 'is'... it 'did' do one thing... it typically made 'sure' both sides showed up at the same time somewhere for exciting PvP battles with an RP scope on it. This can be viewed as purely the PvP side of it too... but these tactics are exactly what you'd see in good RP to go with it.

So... a Good Rebel Guild is going to do one of two things... It'll be a 'highly' PvP, thus military in nature, atmosphere... Or... It's going to be a group of Rebels that don't openly display it to the open RP community. In fact, I dare say... The Best Rebel RP is going to be composed of both RPers and PvPers of seperate guilds to confront the stronger Imperial Guilds. Such things take time and a lot of hours to coordinate out of game as much as it does in game though.

I think that's why we see so much lop sidedness... even with hard core teen age players that manage to play 24/7 eventually lose wind. Oranization and Followthrough seem to go through Piques and Wanes in MMOs... the come and go... every now and then... You get to see a well organized example of Rebels fighting Imperials and it being good RP at the same time.

Isn't there a large Rebel force in like, Ruby Lake, and even though they don't post much here, I know Nepthys (spelling...there's an apostrophe in there somewhere) RPs Rebel activity heavily. I bet she has buddies that do it with her.

Yup, I've been wanting this for a long time as well.

In a game like this, it would be wonderful to have a large Imperial RPvp guild and a similarly sized Rebel RPvP guild. Not everyone in these guilds need to be hardcore roleplayers. They just need to be willing to play the role of a soldier and not act like a tool 100% of the time.


I've often said that a PvP and RP are good for eachother. I've seen that PvP'ers do come out to play when there is a compelling story-based battle. The biggents events our server has ever seen have been story-based battles.


The potential for coolness between two GCW based guilds is off the charts. You can even set up a sort of "strategic game" where these two entities compete against eachother.


What is necessary to make this happen? You need a good leader and people who will follow that person.

I've turned to the German community. Our german liason for TTF is helping us break through the communication issues, there are just too many good rp guilds on the german side to just go "oh well, different language" both sides are very willing we just need to figure out some things.

Ekade wrote:Yup, I've been wanting this for a long time as well.

In a game like this, it would be wonderful to have a large Imperial RPvp guild and a similarly sized Rebel RPvP guild. Not everyone in these guilds need to be hardcore roleplayers. They just need to be willing to play the role of a soldier and not act like a tool 100% of the time.


I've often said that a PvP and RP are good for eachother. I've seen that PvP'ers do come out to play when there is a compelling story-based battle. The biggents events our server has ever seen have been story-based battles.


The potential for coolness between two GCW based guilds is off the charts. You can even set up a sort of "strategic game" where these two entities compete against eachother.


What is necessary to make this happen? You need a good leader and people who will follow that person.

I agree. And something like that to make the war more interesting then attacking some NPCs for faction was something I really wanted back when I was playing. So the question then is there a good candidate leader for either such guild? Someone who stands out as a leader (probably already a guild leader to be experienced enough) who is up to that challenge? I wonder if any server has a model to follow.

If I wasn't completely tied into Imperial in both RP and the PvP side of things, I would really consider breaking from TTF and starting the counter organization to us. Alas, these are only ever empty threats. I know I could do it, and do it right, but I'm far too complacent and comfortable where I am to affect change.

We are really hoping tapping the German community will pan out. Out of nowhere, we ran into 10 fully Rebel Marine armored troops that left a starport together only to fortify the medical center for some RP thing they were setting up. Alonzo and I spent like 5-10 minutes messaging every single one to find one that spoke english...to no avail

If yall have watched my guild DI the past week or so we've been warring assorted rebel guilds. Rpvp will be no different than a guild war except it will be even more annoying the xxx is healing everyone totally confusing the flow of battle and rebels and imps that dont know better will heal you trying to help you win totally destroying the point of the battle being between the two sides. Unless you just activate war for certain battles in unknown areas get ready for the most ooc expereince of your life lol.

Dwilah wrote:Isn't there a large Rebel force in like, Ruby Lake, and even though they don't post much here, I know Nepthys (spelling...there's an apostrophe in there somewhere) RPs Rebel activity heavily. I bet she has buddies that do it with her.

As a member of Ruby Lake, I wanted to state that their is no Rebel presence there. We are but a group of quite citizens that just would like to live in peace. We do not allow alliances to get in the way of that.

again, I will repeat: There is no Rebellion presence in Ruby Lake. Thank you.

Deime wrote:

Dwilah wrote:Isn't there a large Rebel force in like, Ruby Lake, and even though they don't post much here, I know Nepthys (spelling...there's an apostrophe in there somewhere) RPs Rebel activity heavily. I bet she has buddies that do it with her.

As a member of Ruby Lake, I wanted to state that their is no Rebel presence there. We are but a group of quite citizens that just would like to live in peace. We do not allow alliances to get in the way of that.

again, I will repeat: There is no Rebellion presence in Ruby Lake. Thank you.

o.O

toront wrote:

Deime wrote:

Dwilah wrote:Isn't there a large Rebel force in like, Ruby Lake, and even though they don't post much here, I know Nepthys (spelling...there's an apostrophe in there somewhere) RPs Rebel activity heavily. I bet she has buddies that do it with her.

As a member of Ruby Lake, I wanted to state that their is no Rebel presence there. We are but a group of quite citizens that just would like to live in peace. We do not allow alliances to get in the way of that.

again, I will repeat: There is no Rebellion presence in Ruby Lake. Thank you.

o.O

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