ok so what did we learn??

[Isleh]

On the "Immaculate Conception" rip, also it could have been just the midi-chlorian's will alone that made Anakin as Qui-Gon Jin theorized in Ep 1. Palpatine's mention of Darth Plagus "influencing midichlorians to create life" could have been a reference only to the ability to cheat death.

/Agree

If Palpatine really created Anakin (as Skarr suggests was in that newspaper article), that would have been such a tremendous mistake on the part of continuity.

The Prophesy speaks of a virgin birth bringing he who will bring about balance to the Force.

So why would Palpatine CREATE such a being? Just makes no sense. As he suggests, he has knowledge of both Jedi and Sith lore, so he knew about the prophesy. It's like saying a Christian doesn't know about Jesus.

I would just like to point out the very Frankenstein way that Vader came off the table.

[Sai'nu]

On the "Immaculate Conception" rip, also it could have been just the midi-chlorian's will alone that made Anakin as Qui-Gon Jin theorized in Ep 1. Palpatine's mention of Darth Plagus "influencing midichlorians to create life" could have been a reference only to the ability to cheat death.

/Agree

If Palpatine really created Anakin (as Skarr suggests was in that newspaper article), that would have been such a tremendous mistake on the part of continuity.

The Prophesy speaks of a virgin birth bringing he who will bring about balance to the Force.

So why would Palpatine CREATE such a being? Just makes no sense. As he suggests, he has knowledge of both Jedi and Sith lore, so he knew about the prophesy. It's like saying a Christian doesn't know about Jesus.

I would just like to point out the very Frankenstein way that Vader came off the table.

Wasn't that the point, Isleh? That the Emperor helped to create a monster! In an odd sense though... This Frankenstein could only be beaten by himself and the love of his offspring. It's just sad on so many levels when you really stop to think about it.

[Isleh]

/Agree

If Palpatine really created Anakin (as Skarr suggests was in that newspaper article), that would have been such a tremendous mistake on the part of continuity.

The Prophesy speaks of a virgin birth bringing he who will bring about balance to the Force.

So why would Palpatine CREATE such a being? Just makes no sense. As he suggests, he has knowledge of both Jedi and Sith lore, so he knew about the prophesy. It's like saying a Christian doesn't know about Jesus.

I would just like to point out the very Frankenstein way that Vader came off the table.

Wasn't that the point, Isleh? That the Emperor helped to create a monster! In an odd sense though... This Frankenstein could only be beaten by himself and the love of his offspring. It's just sad on so many levels when you really stop to think about it.

Created because of love but also redeemed because of it.

My suggestion is that the referance go futher and that maybe the Emperor may have had a hand in Anakin's birth. The Jedi's view of what Anakin may be could be skewed as Yoda suggested, so it follows that the Sith may also have a skewed view as to what Anakin will become.

So Maybe, in full greek tragady style....

• The Emperor is Anakin's father ( The mother is a slave no less ).
  The Emproer is the cause of Padma's death ( through the lies told to Anakin and maybe a little push from the dark side )
  Anakin blames himself and sinks deeper into the dakside
  His opression causes his son and daughter ( who don't know that Anakin is their father until it too late ) to rise up against him
  Anakin eventually is beaten by his son in a battle before his father.
  Anakin's father then beats his son before him.
  Anakin, to save his son, kills his father.
  Anakin then dies before his son.

[IagoBoom]

I thought the prophecy spoke of bringing balance to the force, not so much peace to the galaxy.

Having a pair of Evil master sith and no one left on the opposite side doesn't sound a lot like balance. Balance would be homeostasis of the two sides in constant struggle with neither side prevailing or total destruction of both. I would lean more towards the grim absolutist view of the "balance" the prophecy spoke of: no more jedi OR sith. Neither condition of which was met by Vader's coming.

This is the closest translation I've heard to the one I decided was the truth as I watched EP1.

How many viable Jedi are there? We're not sure, but I'm gonna count only the ones we know: Yoda and Obi-Wan.

Sith? Always 2: a master and an apprentice.

Numbers don't lie, the teams are even.

Strength? I saw Obi-wan beat Anakin...and Palpy sorta beat Yoda...so...*carries the 2* The skill level/power ratio is near even.

"Balance the force" doesn't refer to the destruction of both sides, but the leveling of the playfield. "Evil is just the other side of the coin." Without it, there is no Light Side...only a pointless, out-of-date religion that no longer has a purpose.

The profesy isn't wrong, it isn't mistranslated...they just look at it from the wrong angle. Profesies aren't what you expect. Ask for a "Chosen One" and you'll get him, but what will he give you?

[Skorixor]

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[X'an Shin]

I thought the prophecy spoke of bringing balance to the force, not so much peace to the galaxy.

Having a pair of Evil master sith and no one left on the opposite side doesn't sound a lot like balance. Balance would be homeostasis of the two sides in constant struggle with neither side prevailing or total destruction of both. I would lean more towards the grim absolutist view of the "balance" the prophecy spoke of: no more jedi OR sith. Neither condition of which was met by Vader's coming.

This is the closest translation I've heard to the one I decided was the truth as I watched EP1.

How many viable Jedi are there? We're not sure, but I'm gonna count only the ones we know: Yoda and Obi-Wan.

Sith? Always 2: a master and an apprentice.

Numbers don't lie, the teams are even.

Only one problem with your numbers...you conveniently forgot about this one dude that they made 3 movies about:

Luke shows up in the beginning, so now it's 2 Sith to 3 Jedi.

Then Obi-Wan and Yoda die, so now it's 2 Sith to 1 Jedi.

Then in the end, it's hinted at that it will now be 2 Jedi to 0 Sith.

Numbers don't lie, the teams are decidedly NOT even ;P

[Skorixor]

Only one problem with your numbers...you conveniently forgot about this one dude that they made 3 movies about:

Luke shows up in the beginning, so now it's 2 Sith to 3 Jedi.

Then Obi-Wan and Yoda die, so now it's 2 Sith to 1 Jedi.

Then in the end, it's hinted at that it will now be 2 Jedi to 0 Sith.

Numbers don't lie, the teams are decidedly NOT even ;P

well, techincally he neutral...he could be swayed reither way until ep6, when het cuts off vaders hand and says, "I am a jedi, like my father before me"

so 2 vs 2 with one in the middle for balance

[X'an Shin]

Only one problem with your numbers...you conveniently forgot about this one dude that they made 3 movies about:

Luke shows up in the beginning, so now it's 2 Sith to 3 Jedi.

Then Obi-Wan and Yoda die, so now it's 2 Sith to 1 Jedi.

Then in the end, it's hinted at that it will now be 2 Jedi to 0 Sith.

Numbers don't lie, the teams are decidedly NOT even ;P

well, techincally he neutral...he could be swayed reither way until ep6, when het cuts off vaders hand and says, "I am a jedi, like my father before me"

so 2 vs 2 with one in the middle for balance

Hang on, I'm going to re-quote my numbers for you again, since everyone likes to ignore how Jedi ends:

Then in the end, it's hinted at that it will now be 2 Jedi to 0 Sith

Even if you don't count Leia, it's still 1 Jedo to 0 Sith.

Still, not balanced in the "fair teams" version of balanced. Balanced in the "no more abomination of the Dark Side" balanced.

[IagoBoom]

Only one problem with your numbers...you conveniently forgot about this one dude that they made 3 movies about:

Luke shows up in the beginning, so now it's 2 Sith to 3 Jedi.

Then Obi-Wan and Yoda die, so now it's 2 Sith to 1 Jedi.

Then in the end, it's hinted at that it will now be 2 Jedi to 0 Sith.

Numbers don't lie, the teams are decidedly NOT even ;P

well, techincally he neutral...he could be swayed reither way until ep6, when het cuts off vaders hand and says, "I am a jedi, like my father before me"

so 2 vs 2 with one in the middle for balance

Hang on, I'm going to re-quote my numbers for you again, since everyone likes to ignore how Jedi ends:

Then in the end, it's hinted at that it will now be 2 Jedi to 0 Sith

Even if you don't count Leia, it's still 1 Jedo to 0 Sith.

Still, not balanced in the "fair teams" version of balanced. Balanced in the "no more abomination of the Dark Side" balanced.

TRUE! ....but did they say how long the balance would last? lol!

[Li'ith]

Originally, Lucas stated that he had 9 movies in mind. Episodes 4-5-6, 3 prequels and 3 sequels. The story isn't over yet.

Any bets on whether he lives long enuff to finish his project?

Or, if he even wants to?

[Keer]

Originally, Lucas stated that he had 9 movies in mind. Episodes 4-5-6, 3 prequels and 3 sequels. The story isn't over yet.

Lucas has long since modified that statement about the 9 episodes. He said in the interviews on the Special Edition VHS that the 9 episode rumor really got out of hand.

Though this doesn't preclude another 3 from ever happenning, he's repeatedly said recently that the Star Wars film saga was the story of Anakin Skywalker, his fall, and redemption. Since Anakin/Vader is dead I think that he's basically saying that he's done with this part of the Star Wars universe as far as the big screen goes.

If this was a studio owned story, I'd say "never say never" but Lucas is independant. Personally, I still think we will see more SW movies, just not a hard adherance to a direct extension of Episode 6.

[Endrin]

Ok its not something from EP 3 but its is something I have learned

I just rewatched return of the jedi and the battle on endor between the ewoks and stormtroopers has taught me that either

A. stormtrooper armor is made of Jell-o
or
B. Ewok arrows are clearly the most advanced badass technology ever produced, they look like twigs but strike with the power of He-Man

[Hashum]

Only one problem with your numbers...you conveniently forgot about this one dude that they made 3 movies about:

Luke shows up in the beginning, so now it's 2 Sith to 3 Jedi.

Then Obi-Wan and Yoda die, so now it's 2 Sith to 1 Jedi.

Then in the end, it's hinted at that it will now be 2 Jedi to 0 Sith.

Numbers don't lie, the teams are decidedly NOT even ;P

well, techincally he neutral...he could be swayed reither way until ep6, when het cuts off vaders hand and says, "I am a jedi, like my father before me"

so 2 vs 2 with one in the middle for balance

Hang on, I'm going to re-quote my numbers for you again, since everyone likes to ignore how Jedi ends:

Then in the end, it's hinted at that it will now be 2 Jedi to 0 Sith

Even if you don't count Leia, it's still 1 Jedo to 0 Sith.

Still, not balanced in the "fair teams" version of balanced. Balanced in the "no more abomination of the Dark Side" balanced.

Unless you include the EU in which case there was actually another Dark Jedi which Luke finds in the Thrawn series Job'ath or Job'ac or something like that.

[X'an Shin]

Then in the end, it's hinted at that it will now be 2 Jedi to 0 Sith

Even if you don't count Leia, it's still 1 Jedo to 0 Sith.

Still, not balanced in the "fair teams" version of balanced. Balanced in the "no more abomination of the Dark Side" balanced.

Unless you include the EU in which case there was actually another Dark Jedi which Luke finds in the Thrawn series Job'ath or Job'ac or something like that.

But we're not including the EU.

EU does not count for these discussions. Movie discussions only.